driver on 21/6/2012 at 21:30
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
This is where you reveal yourself to be inept and small minded.
The reaction of the biologist to the snake-thing was, imo, ridiculous.
I never said the film was perfect, and your idiotic post says more about you than me. Nowhere have I tried to explain away the things that are flawed or can't be explained, and I know there are many of them. I'm perfectly capable of enjoying a flawed film in the same way as your friends and family must be able to enjoy your company despite your obvious and frequent verbal shitrains.
And the last thing I would expect you to understand was my whimsical alternate take on Freeman.
The problem here is the film is chocked full of things that are flawed and cannot be explained,
yet you continue to apologise for them. A woman has an alien caesarian on a an autodoc not configured to female anatomy, then gets up and runs around? 'Ah, it's sci-fi medicine...' There are so many issues with that scene alone and I couldn't give a toss about the type of forceps or whatever.
But that right there,
that's where you crossed the line from sensible extrapolation into utter farce (And I'm letting you get away with a lot with that one). Clearly you have a greater tolerance for drivel if you think Prometheus is anything less than a jumbled mess of ideas left over from a Lost brainstorming session crowbarred into an alien setting . The film was
bad, there's no getting away from it, sci-fi excuses be damned. Picking up people for things like not noticing that it was LV294738430457 rather than LV294738430457whogivesadamn when the setting was clearly a direct reference to the original Alien is just being snobbish. Objecting to things that were badly done doesn't make people small minded, it's just a reflection of the disappointment they felt given the heritage of the film and the director.
Also, 'whimsical alternate take on Freeman'? Good god man, do you even read what you're typing any more? I wouldn't even expect that from a twelve year old who'd just read the whole Twilight series.
SubJeff on 21/6/2012 at 21:44
Quote Posted by driver
things that are flawed and cannot be explained,
yet you continue to apologise for them.
Evidence or shut up.
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Picking up people for things like not noticing that it was LV294738430457 rather than LV294738430457whogivesadamn when the setting was clearly a direct reference to the original Alien is just being snobbish.
Are you really this dumb? I haven't picked anyone up on legitimate groaning about problems with the film, of which there are many to groan about. What I'm picking people up on is the mass of moans about things that either do make sense, or where the moans are about not having those things that we are supposed to speculate about spoonfed.
How is it "snobbish" to point out the end of the film ISN'T dumb for not having the alien burst out of the engineer's chest whilst he's in the pilot seat for the Nostromo crew can find him there
when it isn't even the same planet?
I suspect you equate snobbery with greater powers of observation and intellect than your own, because that's effectively what you've just said.
Good God man.
driver on 21/6/2012 at 22:27
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Evidence
Tell you what, I'll print out all your replies to this thread, hang them up and toss a dart at them.
No, but feel free to stamp your foot or whatever. Just be careful not to knock over your brandy.
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How is it "snobbish" to point out the end of the film ISN'T dumb for not having the alien burst out of the engineer's chest whilst he's in the pilot seat for the Nostromo crew can find him there
when it isn't even the same planet?
Because the chances of two identical Engineer ships crash landing on two separate (But indistinguishable) planets, carrying payloads of biological weapons is just a tiny coincidence too far. There was a colossal mess of misinformation before the film's release about whether it was a prequel to Alien or some sort of 'same world, different universe' spin-off which, to be fair, isn't the film's fault. But where it does fall foul is not doing enough to distinguish the difference and at the same time playing up the similarities (HEY LOOK GUYS ITS THE SPACE JOCKEY) thereby encouraging confusion as to whether it was the same ship/planet or not.
The difference between the two was
three numbers, ferchissake. Expecting everyone to have memorised the barcode of a planet in a film that came out over 20 years ago (no matter how brilliant) is just snobbish.
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I suspect you equate snobbery with greater powers of observation and intellect than your own, because that's effectively what you've just said.
I admit my original post was couched in terms to prick your pomposity and trigger a huff attack, but by golly you've taken the ball and you're really running with it, aren't you?
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Oh, feel free to use that last paragraph as a get-out clause and dismiss my post(s). I wouldn't want you suffering a brain haemorrhage from the cognitive dissonance. You're too hilarious for TTLG to lose.
Scots Taffer on 22/6/2012 at 01:30
I'd rather pet a vagina snake than see this continue.
The Alchemist on 22/6/2012 at 02:00
When did TTLG get this gay... oh, nvm.
Tocky on 22/6/2012 at 03:33
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I see what the problem is. You people aren't thinking sci-fi
enough.
100 years ago you'd have been saying - "Caesarean sections whilst awake? There is no way!" and yet that was when spinal anaesthesia was being pioneered. This was one area I didn't have a problem with in the movie. She's sprayed with an anaesthetic which I assumed was future-local-anaesthetic that acts locally and penetrates deeply. Why not?
Because it has to be magic muscle knit serum else her guts fall out. Sure, enough morphine and she won't feel it, but there is still the whole trip over the guts thing. I am fine with super nano glue insta muscle. Why not? Hell, have her take a dump and the turd come to life, I don't care. It could happen in that one chamber right? Talk about a cathartic twist irony. Go shit monster!
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Brethren-
"One of the sad things about the biologist/snake scene is they could have made it a genuinely scary scene, maybe similar to the scene in Aliens where Ripley/Newt are trapped in Medical with the facehuggers, instead the laughfest that it turned out to be. You just have to wonder wtf they were thinking there."
Aha! Admit it! Aliens was better than Alien!
And stay away from anyone wants you to pet a vagina snake. It's a trap.
Morte on 22/6/2012 at 06:44
I can spot a sci-fi movie magic stomach-stapling technology. What bugs me about that sequence is that it's just there to provde the useless button for the the movie, and the obligatory pregnancy body horror. It has basically no impact on the plot, absolutely no impact on the characters. SHAW JUST HAD AN ALIEN CARVED OUT OF HER STOMACH. How can going THE BIG QUESTIONS be more important than this? How can this not alter her trajectory as a character in any way? This is not recognizably human behaviour.
It's just another of those sequences that goes nowhere.
Nicker on 22/6/2012 at 08:38
Quote Posted by Morte
It's just another of those sequences that goes nowhere.
Worse than that, it missed going somewhere disturbing and interesting.
For example: If Weyland was anticipating some alien biotech, granting him ever-life, it might be a matter of expedition protocol that the secondary function of all non-essential personnel (and given the presence of David, that's pretty much everyone), was to play potential host to alien infections or infestations.
Therefore the robo-surgeon would be forbidden to perform any disinfection, sterilisation or termination procedure on any crew member of any gender. Then Shaw's ticking-clock challenge would be to find a work-around to trick the machine into performing the “abortion”.
Awkward, lazy plotting replaced by a sinister plot twist, portending the policy of deliberate infection found in the “sequels”. Bonus twist - was David self inspired to infect Holloway or were those his instructions? Etc etc...
And that's what pissed me off about Prometheus. Not obstetrical forceps in a male only robo-surgeon but repeatedly squandered opportunities to create real characters in real conflicts.
SubJeff on 22/6/2012 at 14:20
Now these are legitimate gripes. I do think (hope) that section will be fleshed out in the directors cut. It's amazing how the pace at the start, with David on his own, was so perfect and how badly managed it was towards the end of the film. Why Scott couldn't have the balls to just say "screeeeew it! you're getting 3 solid hours of this!!" I don't know.
Renault on 23/6/2012 at 04:09
Quote Posted by Tocky
Aha! Admit it! Aliens was better than Alien!
Both are classics in their own right, but yeah, Aliens stands taller imo. A movie I never, ever get sick of, no matter how many times I watch it. Definitely in my top 10 all time.
As Apone would say, absolutely badass.
