SubJeff on 20/6/2012 at 06:21
The film is messy and full of problems, yes.
She's an archaeologist and obviously the technology has advanced enough to include reanimation of archaeological finds so I have no problem with her being involved in this scene, and I don't get why someone would.
Morte on 20/6/2012 at 06:46
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In my opinion, it doesn't really matter how ambitious a movie wants to be if it can't deliver on any level. Not only does Prometheus fail to deliver, it doesn't even
try. It is content to merely be the set-up part of a trilogy that puts a whole bunch of extra-terrestrial window dressing on the oldest story of all time - not really sure how ambitious that re-telling is, in all honesty.
I thought it delivered on an aesthetic level, but otherwise, yeah, there's really nothing there. It doesn't even have any big ideas, just an icy, ponderous air of self-importance. The entire story is just a terrible scientist obsessed with finding out the answer to the "big questions" finding out that no, she can't have any answers. And then she continues undeterred, because hey, why would seeing everyone, including your husband, die and having an alien creature torn out of your womb have any impact on you?
Ugh.
There's so many scenes that serve no purpose. Take the vagina cobra, for instance. What the hell is the payoff for that? What does it actually *change* in the story? Nothing. It kills off two superfluous characters, turning one of them into a zombie so he can kill off some more redshirts before being put down. The scenes might as well have been excised entirely. It feels like a facehugger scene that was changed when Lindelof and Scott decided that they wanted to make it less of a straight prequel, but forgot to actually make it serve any kind of purpose.
Scots Taffer on 20/6/2012 at 09:14
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The film is messy and full of problems, yes.
She's an archaeologist and obviously the technology has advanced enough to include reanimation of archaeological finds so I have no problem with her being involved in this scene, and I don't get why someone would.
It's a bit of a problem because her skills and her purpose on the mission change, just like motivations and emotions, to serve the plot - not because it makes any sense for her character.
Ted O'Toole on 20/6/2012 at 09:39
I'm still not sure what exactly she was trying to achieve in that scene. Sticking something into it's head to do what?
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I thought that "geologist" was a mercenary until he started wigging out and getting in everyones faces, it just made no sense. And why did the biologist have to be stupid? The same end could have resulted from him not being a fucking retard, but he was anyways, because thats what people seem to expect. It didn't make a it a bad movie, but it made it a worse movie simply because it had so much potential and yet had to do the same dumb shit you see in many a lesser film. Thats why it bugged me, but ill still see the shit out of the next one.
I felt exactly the same way. I've seen that ginger dude in The Borgias and he seems to be a little bit typecast as the dark scary hard man and I assumed he was a bit of a grunt in the film until he waffled about loving rocks.
The archeologist has no problem performing an abortion/caesarian on herself, losing her lover, shed a tear or two then right back to business. It was like a bad tv show plot lineSubJeff on 20/6/2012 at 09:40
Hmmm. I don't know about that. I did initially find it odd that she was involved in that scene but that was before I'd extrapolated the tech and the role of an archaeologist as framed by the tech. I suppose I came to the, possibly incorrect, conclusion that this is what she does with other preserved (frozen/ambered) specimens on a fairly regular basis.
Sulphur on 20/6/2012 at 18:48
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The entire story is just a terrible scientist obsessed with finding out the answer to the "big questions" finding out that no, she can't have any answers. And then she continues undeterred, because hey, why would seeing everyone, including your husband, die and having an alien creature torn out of your womb have any impact on you?
All this. I was kind of amazed that she just kept soldiering on, as gormless as you like, unfazed and unaffected by the all those things and the fact that she'd had enough anaesthetics pumped into her to immobilise her entire lower body. She meets Weyland, and then doesn't even go, '
This is the reason why you decided to take us here, you terrible waste of a human being?'
SubJeff on 20/6/2012 at 19:14
The anaesthetic administered was a local spray over the incision area only.
I can do this forever.
Sulphur on 20/6/2012 at 19:35
Ha ha, guess I should know better than to tangle with an anaesthetist, eh? The anaesthetic's a minor point compared to the rest, but, for the sake of elucidation, I suppose the syringe she kept stabbing herself with just contained massive amounts of painkillers?
Edit: Okay, I did some digging, aaaaand it's a '(
https://www.weylandindustries.com/health) Synapse Re-establisher'. So she nearly dies from the surgery or the squid, apparently. As in, her brain's on the verge of shutting down, which is where the syringe comes in.
This is either some major level biological plot hole ridiculousness, or I should really just go to bed right now.
Probably both.
SubJeff on 21/6/2012 at 00:17
Isn't that what they use on the engineer head? Does she use that on herself?
Tocky on 21/6/2012 at 02:37
I thought the needle was a magical stem cell muscle knit serum because there was no way in hell someone just out of a caesarean could run and jump like that. A feeble thorzine shuffle is about all they can manage, painkillers be damned, real life aint Max Payne. Have you ever held an arm so they don't fall while they held their guts in with the other determined to use the can instead of the bedpan and then next time swallow pride and use the bedpan? That's pain son. Run and jump my ass.
It had potential. Aerothorn nailed that much. It strove to be all things to all people and ended being just an action flick. I enjoyed the spectacle at least. The meet our maker part had so much lost potential though and there were so many interesting loose threads unexplored. I agree with the thought that it could have observed a strict protocol (I mean jeebus christmas look at the debug given the Apollo crew) and use intelligent scientists and still have things go to hell. Maybe next time. The landing on the creators homeworld has much much more potential in every way if a logical thinking sort handles it. No Deus Ex willy nilly machine. Logical progression from an excellent premise instead.
