fett on 23/4/2010 at 13:53
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That's even less logical than before.
YOU ARE RUBBER I AM GLUE WHATEVER YOU SAY - ah fuck it. :rolleyes:
Btw, Vae - which is the best Pagan's Mind album to get? I have Enigmatic Calling but I keep finding videos of songs from other albums that are more focused and less 80's sounding.
Volitions Advocate on 23/4/2010 at 15:04
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"One" is thrash??? O_o
I like the odd metal band, among my favorites are Opeth, Messhugah, In Flames, and Iced Earth. But I have no clue what the differences are between the sub-genres, I know a few people who can name and pick out every subtlety there is, I've just never been that attentive to it I suppose.
Always made me think of this: (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0ulSEqEA0) NSFW
(I don't want to derail the thread, I just thought I'd share because it's funny)
*chuckles* Vegetarian Progressive Grindcore
Vae on 23/4/2010 at 17:22
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Btw, Vae - which is the best Pagan's Mind album to get? I have Enigmatic Calling but I keep finding videos of songs from other albums that are more focused and less 80's sounding.
Then your going to want God's Equation, their newest one...I highly recommend it. I would also get Celestial Entrance, if you don't already have it. All three are superb.
june gloom on 23/4/2010 at 17:33
Opeth are progressive death metal. Simply calling them "prog" irritates the daylights out of me because progzombies LOVE to completely ignore or outright deny a band's "home" genre- in other words, well let me put it this way: a while back I got into an argument with some asshole because he insisted on calling Death a prog band. Granted, Death's later albums were very proggy, but this guy basically said that they weren't a death metal band, they were prog. This is retarded, because as the name may suggest, Death basically
invented death metal. When I suggested that maybe, just maybe, they were progressive death metal, his response? "That's stupid." I hate metalheads. I hate progzombies even more. And if someone is both? Get the fuck out.
Meshuggah play a very technical form of thrash. Beyond that I couldn't tell you.
Iced Earth started off as a thrashier version of Iron Maiden and turned into a power metal band. To be honest, once Judas Priest came back there was no longer any reason for Iced Earth to continue existing.
In Flames are just ridiculously boring, generic death metal.
Now, I realize I'm tempting fate and inviting yet another retarded subgenre argument (hi Aja) but fuck it:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music) Wikipedia is your friend regarding heavy metal subgenres- refer to the listing on the right.
There's some overlap, but the important thing to remember is that these genres are generally distinct from one another, even among the fusion genres.
Volitions Advocate on 23/4/2010 at 18:09
Dethtoll. You are the only person who has ever given me a straight answer on the subject. Usually I "just don't get it" because I'm "not a real fan".
and yeah, I was referring to those bands as metal bands, not prog bands. and like i said:
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retarded subgenre argument
I don't intend on derailing the thread.
june gloom on 23/4/2010 at 19:21
Fuck stupid elitist metalheads with their "not a tr00 fan" bullshit. Music is music, regardless of genre, and anyone who shows at least a passing interest in understanding the vagaries of a kind of music, particularly one as diverse as metal or jazz, should be helped along in that regard.
fett on 23/4/2010 at 19:51
No, dethtoll - I don't think that's splitting hairs at all. I'm big on being specific about genres because that categorization is the primary method I use for finding new music similar to bands I already like. I'm guilty of lumping Tool, Dream Theater, and Genesis into the "prog" category because I always assume I'm talking to people who don't understand sub-genres in the least. There's no such thing as "pure" prog that I'm aware of because every band with that generic label is simply playing some other style of music, only with a deeper, more technical bent that demands more investment from the listener. Death and Spock's Beard couldn't be further apart in terms of their "home" genre, but the average prog fan can probably appreciate both because they understand that these types of bands have a different mentality from artists in the mainstream, in everything from image and marketing, to song length and concepts.
I think we've had this conversation before: I can't understand what anyone sees in In Flames. The only worthwhile thing they've ever done is influence Soilwork, and even that is a questionable contribution. Interested to see what they do with The Panic Broadcast now that Peter Wichers is back in the fold. The last three albums have been terrible.
@Vae - thanks on my way right now. :)
Volitions Advocate on 23/4/2010 at 21:37
I've only heard an oversized handful of In Flames songs. I just liked what I heard, I don't have much of a concept of their overall.... err.. concept.
It takes some getting used to that's for sure. I saw Tool in 2002 and Meshuggah was on tour with them that year. I remember hating them (because of the vocals) but that was in '02 and I've expanded my thoughts on what is music, I like them quite a bit now, if for nothing else than at least for the massive amounts of effort that obviously go into their music. To go along with what Fett said. Definately a Metal band. but also definitely prog. not mutually exclusive.
