jtr7 on 8/11/2008 at 22:11
Oh come on. You could make a better point about judgment than that. The ability to make a game, even a kick-ass game, or having a high IQ or high education, doesn't automatically mean sound and respectful decisions are being made regarding a sequel to an established iconography, gameplay, and choose-your-own-adventure storytelling based on the player's decision.
The argument falls outside of the devs' abilities to craft good games, and is centered on the very common argument that they are apparently deviating from the established universe and gameplay in ways that are not acceptable, fixing what wasn't broken. We know the decisions are being made for money and ego, not to create more of the same.
Or something in that ballpark!:laff:
Skol on 8/11/2008 at 23:51
I don't even think it's ego . . . money, maybe, because of some marketer's idea of pragmatism (which will drive any game publisher -- other than EA -- in the ground, mark my words; that said, mimicking EA ain't gonna get you where you wanna go).
If the argument is that the game will suck because of designers' egos, I hope they'll hear me out when I say they'll get much better ego-ROI by making a game we're asking for. People will buy it, and they'll love it.
You ignore us at your own peril ;-) (and that's me addressin' your EGO back there, devs :-)
Papy on 9/11/2008 at 00:48
Skol : I'd like to know... Were you "slimed by a spooky ghost with ectoplasm" just after posting your comment? (I'm particularly referring to the one beginning with "Were the old design documents shredded")
Chade : Learning is too "fundamental". That's certainly not the (conscious) reason people choose to play video games. They may agree to learn a bit in order to play a game, but they don't play a game in order to learn, at least not the average person.
To me, most people play (single player) video games for the same reason they will go see a blockbuster movie or listen to a top 40 song : entertainment. Nothing more. They don't seek something deep or interesting, they just want amusement. I will agree that video games could be a great tool for introspection, but few people, particularly when they get older, are interested with introspection.
ZylonBane on 9/11/2008 at 01:00
Quote Posted by Papy
...few people,
particularly when they get older, are interested with introspection.
Do you even read the things you type?
Skol on 9/11/2008 at 03:23
Quote Posted by Papy
Skol : I'd like to know... Were you "slimed by a spooky ghost with ectoplasm" just after posting your comment? (I'm particularly referring to the one beginning with "Were the old design documents shredded")
Either my trivia is really poor, or I have no way of having any clue about what you're talking about :-p
But I'll say yes, just for fun. If you have any questions and/or comments, please be less obtuse next time :-)
Papy on 9/11/2008 at 17:53
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Do you even read the things you type?
Yes, but as my English level is very low, maybe the words I type do not mean what I think they mean.
Chade was talking about "a game or story that made him think hard about his own personality". Unfortunately, few people actively want to know who they are. It is not that uncommon for a teenager, but if I look at people around me, I'd say it's extremely rare among adults. If you challenge someone to look at himself, most of the time the answer will be either denial or angriness.
ZylonBane on 9/11/2008 at 18:33
In my experience, introspection is mostly something older people do. What young people do is called "angst". They haven't been alive long enough to have anything to introspect.
The_Raven on 9/11/2008 at 19:45
I'm with Zylon on this one.
Matthew on 10/11/2008 at 11:42
I also agree.
YuSeF on 10/11/2008 at 13:12
I concur.
