TTK12G3 on 27/11/2007 at 15:04
We sure do have a lot of complainers.
I don't know what to expect from this game. I they stay with the basics, I think the game will be OK. Bioshock (which I have yet to buy) seems overly simplistic. So simplistic, I feel as if I have much less control over myself than in SS2. Oh well.
We can hope for the best.
The Few on 27/11/2007 at 15:16
The main question for me is: How much console? Console style was the main problem on DX:IW.
While I don't even dare to hope that it will be native PC and then ported to consoles (it's always the opposite now as we know), will there be at least a team adapting the game for PC interface? And doing a bit more adaption than in Bioshock? :confused:
SubJeff on 27/11/2007 at 15:36
Crossposting here but guys one date in a teaser doesn't make it a prequel, especially considering there are images suggestive of discrimination against the augmented - something which never happened in the DX 1 and 2 timeline/history .
D'Juhn Keep on 27/11/2007 at 15:52
You sure about that? There are definite indications of it in DX. Like the memos to the mechs saying how much they've given up by being augmented.
G Freeman on 27/11/2007 at 16:13
Quote Posted by catbarf
Please don't suck
more than IW did. Please don't suck
more than IW did. Please don't suck
more than IW did.
exactly what I was thinking
I thought IW killed it glad to here it it didnt
SubJeff on 27/11/2007 at 16:24
Iggs - I never go the impression it was to do with being discriminated against, more to to with being made into a machine and thus losing something of your original identity. In DX the suggestion, to me, was that very few people were augmented and essentially all of them agents of some sort. Not enough to provoke the widespread discrimination hinted at here. Anyway, we shall see.
Given the recent trends with PC-console cross platform development my hopes are not high for this.
D'Juhn Keep on 27/11/2007 at 16:38
That's a good point actually, if it were just super agents, it'd more be a mark of distinction than anything else.
Venturing boldly into speculation then - what if the emerging augmentation industry was available to anyone with the cash before it leads to escalating violence, it being used criminally, etc. This would lead to augmented people being held in low regard and also a crackdown on it being available to just anyone and restricting it to national security.
Silkworm on 27/11/2007 at 16:39
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Iggs - I never go the impression it was to do with being discriminated against, more to to with being made into a machine and thus losing something of your original identity. In DX the suggestion, to me, was that very few people were augmented and essentially all of them agents of some sort. Not enough to provoke the widespread discrimination hinted at here. Anyway, we shall see.
It was brought up in previews and the Deus Ex Bible that people with augs were discriminated against in society, and that there was class bias and class tension. That's part of the reason for the hostility and competition between you and Navarre and Gunther, and why some characters will brush you off if you try to bring up their mech-augs (ie the bartender in New York).
It's also a theme in a lot of other cyberpunk literature, drawing parallels between racism of the past.
Papy on 27/11/2007 at 18:37
Here's a conversation from two terrorists (hey, don't judge me, I just wanted an excuse to read some of the script again... damned I have no life)
Quote:
TERRORIST 1 : That's the difference right there. Just take a look at him.
TERRORIST 2 : Bad?
TERRORIST 1 : They cut off his arm, replaced half of his face.
TERRORIST 2 : Hermann, right? He's a good soldier. Killed three of our men.
TERRORIST 1 : They'd've replaced his whole body if it would've improved performance. If that's how you judge a man -- by performance -- then eventually it's not about people but upgrades, versions, functionality...
TERRORIST 2 : All I know is we could use a few mechs for ops like this.
TERRORIST 1 : Soon as we buy into the cult of the machine we're just like them.
TERRORIST 2 : Rhetoric, always more rhetoric.
ZymeAddict on 27/11/2007 at 18:58
Quote Posted by raph
Just a nerdy nitpick, hasn't DX been retconed to 2032 as DXIW took place in 2052, if memory serves...
Nope. There was a bit of a issue in the first game about whether it takes place in 2052 or 2054, but IW establishes it pretty conclusively that it is the former. IW takes place in 2072.
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Crossposting here but guys one date in a teaser doesn't make it a prequel, especially considering there are images suggestive of discrimination against the augmented - something which never happened in the DX 1 and 2 timeline/history .
As others have pointed out, that's not true. It's quite obvious that this is still a pretty big issue in the DX universe by the time of DX1 (hence another reason why nano-augmented agents are considered to be preferable as they aren't subject to that sort of discrimination).
It seems that by the time of the original DX the societal backlash against mechanical augmentation has tapered off a bit, but DX3 is going to take place back when the shit hit the fan so to speak. Interesting idea.
