june gloom on 10/4/2010 at 16:45
I thought we weren't hateful enough for you Kokes?
This is sad news. What's Poland's plan for succession?
Stitch on 10/4/2010 at 16:57
Quote Posted by bukary
I've just wrote that someone close to my family died. He was an actor, not politician.
Dude, I'm sorry :(
Enchantermon on 10/4/2010 at 17:00
Quote Posted by dethtoll
What's Poland's plan for succession?
New election.
Mr.Duck on 10/4/2010 at 17:04
:(
Koki on 10/4/2010 at 17:29
Quote Posted by dethtoll
This is sad news. What's Poland's plan for succession?
This is election year, so Lech's brother Jarosław will win by a landslide thanks to sympathy vote.
SD on 10/4/2010 at 18:01
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In 2004 and 2005, while mayor of Warsaw, Kaczynski banned gay pride parades planned for the city, accusing them of "propagating gay orientation." He refused to meet with the parade organizers, saying, "I am not willing to meet perverts." When marchers defied the ban and peacefully demonstrated in 2004, skinheads associated with the far-right All-Polish Youth violently attacked them. Kaczynski condemned police for interfering with the skinheads, but not the marchers.
Since Lech Kaczynski was elected president in November 2005, homophobic rhetoric from members of his Law and Justice Party has escalated. The party's leader (and president's brother), Jaroslaw Kaczynski, recently warned that in Poland "gay people are allowed to conduct perverse demonstrations in the streets, but it is forbidden to discuss the issue of moral censorship." Prime Minister Kasimierz Marcinkiewicz, also of Law and Justice Party, has stated that if a homosexual "tries to 'infect' others with their homosexuality, then the state must intervene in this violation of freedom."
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Zillameth on 10/4/2010 at 18:04
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This is sad news. What's Poland's plan for succession?
There will be election within three months. The impact of the president's death on the government is relatively minor, because in Poland the prime minister holds the bulk of executive power. Several key members of the parliament died, but the legislative branch does not rely on any single person to work, and vacant seats are filled automatically. A bigger issue, in purely practical terms, is the death of the head of the national bank and several top military commanders. It's not like Poland is suddenly left without a bank and an army, but there will be consequences.
But that's just a cynical damage assessment. The basic truth is, of course, that a hundred people died on duty. Some of them were very respected. Many of them were totally apolitical. All of them boarded that plane because they had an important matter to take care of.
Another aspect of this tragedy is that Polish politics have become very bitter in the last twenty years, with several different visions of the country struggling against each other. Sometimes it feels like the country is too small to hold them all. Many of the people who died today represented one of those belief systems. Personally, I disagreed with pretty much everything president Kaczyński said, but he obviously wasn't a bad person - he just believed in a different future for the country. Now he and many people like him are gone, and so is our chance to reconcile.
SubJeff on 12/4/2010 at 09:17
Anyone else find it a little bit odd that all these people were on one airplane? I don't think that the entire British royal family/government would travel together because of risks like this.
And I'm sorry to hear that bukary. Koki is, as always, a twit.
demagogue on 12/4/2010 at 14:09
Well this is one national crisis going on... I still think Kyrgyzstan wins on the political crisis-front for the week, since there's been a full-on presidential ousting with the masses taking sides. This is more of a shakeup.
But anyway, tragedies suck. For the decent people, it's a real human tragedy. For the misanthropic jerks, it'd be of course much better if the poetic justice were more about why they're actually jerks (and non-violent), not a random accident that only builds them sympathy. Something like getting forced out of office or something... And of course it's unacceptable for innocent, decent people to be collateral damage to any justice, poetic or otherwise, or violence to be a part of it period for that matter.
PeeperStorm on 13/4/2010 at 06:54
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That's Koki for you. Just ignore him.
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