Jason Moyer on 19/9/2007 at 00:07
Not sure why that's in a police brutality thread to be honest. Getting tasered seems like a natural consequence of being a disruptive asshole and resisting arrest.
Kolya on 19/9/2007 at 01:53
I'm sure you'd like to see everyone who you regard as a "disruptive asshole" getting tasered. Personally I find it a bit disturbing that there are upright citizens just like you, who cheer when a single fellow student armed with a book gets arrested and mistreated by a whole bunch of cops for "instating a riot", no matter if he's an asshole or not.
SD on 19/9/2007 at 02:02
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
Not sure why that's in a police brutality thread to be honest. Getting tasered seems like a natural consequence of being a disruptive asshole and resisting arrest.
You don't think applying a stun gun to someone who is already restrained constitutes excessive force?
Remind me to never recommend you for babysitting duties...
Jason Moyer on 19/9/2007 at 03:50
I'm not sure if the force was justifiable, but I'm not going to feel bad for the guy when he was on the ground fighting with the officers trying to handcuff him. I think the moment you physically resist an offer's directions you've pretty much lost any right to bitch about what they do to you.
Also, FWIW, they didn't actually taser him, they used drive-stun mode which is substantially different (i.e. it doesn't knock you on your ass and cause your muscles to completely freeze, it just generates a small shock to make you reconsider what you're doing - like a training dog collar).
Jason Moyer on 19/9/2007 at 03:51
Quote Posted by SD
Remind me to never recommend you for babysitting duties...
10/10 use of hyperbole.
ercles on 19/9/2007 at 06:53
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
like a training dog collar
I fail to see how comparing students to dogs really helps the situation at all. Sure it is less violent, but the image of using some kind of pavlovian training system on humans is a terrible one.
PigLick on 19/9/2007 at 07:06
c'mon, thats how we all learn right from wrong.
Jason Moyer on 19/9/2007 at 08:03
Quote Posted by ercles
I fail to see how comparing students to dogs really helps the situation at all. Sure it is less violent, but the image of using some kind of pavlovian training system on humans is a terrible one.
I wasn't comparing students to dogs. I was trying to explain that they didn't actually tase him, they shocked him. The sensation would have been similar to what an electric dog collar does, i.e. a sharp pain but nothing incapacitating.
D'Juhn Keep on 19/9/2007 at 09:10
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
Not sure why that's in a police brutality thread to be honest. Getting tasered seems like a natural consequence of being a disruptive asshole and resisting arrest.
So what was he being arrested for
You know, before watching the video I was sort of taking your position, the guy was disruptive, asked to leave and things escalated naturally and the police did what they had to do. However, watching that video shows that John fucking Kerry wanted to answer his question and the police moved right on in because... why? How the fuck can you be resisting arrest if there's no good cause to arrest you, no reading of rights, no anything? Obviously as an ignorant foreigner I might be innocent of procedure in the US so if you could clear this up for me it'd be appreciated!
mopgoblin on 19/9/2007 at 09:21
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
I wasn't comparing students to dogs. I was trying to explain that they didn't actually tase him, they shocked him. The sensation would have been similar to what an electric dog collar does, i.e. a sharp pain but nothing incapacitating.
What good could that possibly do?
