Quixada on 5/7/2007 at 02:25
Quote Posted by aguywhoplaysthief
That's funny, I didn't know there were any 15-year-old girls on these forums.
Was you ever bit by a dead bee?
fett on 5/7/2007 at 19:08
No, but I have tried to rope a deer.
Gillie on 5/7/2007 at 23:52
I can not see how the homelss have to be put in the same catogory.
I would help both if and when I could. I have taken in my home cats an dogs myself.
It is devestaing to loose pets. We domesticated cats and dogs in the first place.Perhaps in people had some spayed some it would help. There should be a license to own them as well. Same with breeding them..
A lot of homeless,can not help the situation they are in,many are running away from things as well. I feel so sorry for them too. For the prediciment they get in. They are not all able to get help..
Papy on 6/7/2007 at 18:34
I'm not sure I agree with a license to own a pet. I don't think it would solve anything. Except for being yet another tax, except from making more difficult for poor people to have a pet, I don't see what a license would accomplish. I don't see how it could solve the problem of mistreatment. I don't see how it could stop people from abandoning their cute "toy" when they are tired of it and want something new.
You talk about the license to breed, but I'm not sure this license is a good thing. This license is about money, not about helping animals at all. I agree it gives an artificial value to an animal. The cost of a pure breed can refrain someone from abandoning it and can make someone think twice before mistreating it. But I'm not sure we should encourage someone who base value on money to own a pet. Also, this license produce puppy mills. It's difficult to evaluate the overall effect of this license, but I'm very skeptical about it being really beneficial to animals.
Anyway, I'm not in favor of a strict control. I believe we are already overprotected by society, so let's not also overprotect pets. I still have a feeling of injustice for the cat who died, but I know that's life. To be honest, the only thing I hope is for people to have the possibility to act responsibly toward pets, without linking this possibility to money. I can pay for spaying my cat, I can pay for a microchip, I can pay for health insurance, I can pay for good quality food, but not everyone can. Particularly, kids can't.
For a lot of kids, a pet can be of great help. Not long ago, I saw a man who was badly yelling at his son. The father wanted his son to stand still. There was obviously no particular reasons except he wanted to dominate and to be obeyed. So when the kid began to run a little in the park, the father became really mad. As he only yelled and only pushed his son a little, as he didn't physically hit the kid, I couldn't intervene (stupid laws), but the kid was frightened. This was in public and I can imagine how this father treat his son when no one is watching. For this kid, a pet could be a savior. I strongly believe, if given the chance, this kid could really care about a pet. I believe a kid in this situation could do what his parents would not. But I doubt he could find the money to spay his pet or to pay for treatments.
Ideally, I believe society should pay for this kid's pet, the same way society pay for this kid's education, health and, sometimes, entertainment. I think the cost would be insignificant compared to what we already pay for the kid. Unfortunately, there will always be people who won't get it and who'll fight the idea. As this thread showed, they'll say : "no, we should give to homeless people instead" without understanding the big picture. You'll then have other people, polarized by this reaction, who'll say "fuck people, they can take care of themselves". In the end it will be yet another sterile pissing contest.
To me, a solution is not in a license, but in helping people who don't see the point of paying or who simply can't afford to care for their animals. It would be great if a kid who find an animal could bring it to a local pet shelter where the animal would be microchiped, spayed or neutered, and have some basic vaccine for free. Unfortunately local pet shelters can't do this because they don't have enough money.
To the best of my knowledge, although I think they get some very limited revenues from a city contract for animal control, my local SPCA rely almost exclusively on private donation. Unfortunately, few people are aware of the situation, I know I wasn't until I adopted my own cat, and so, few people give. I don't believe governments or the majority of society will change anytime soon, but I certainly believe raising awareness might work with a few people. I don't expect this thread to do miracles, but although I'm closer to a cynical and grumpy old man than a 15 years old girl, I still have, sometimes, irrational hopes for a better society and I believe I'm not the only one.
Displacer on 6/7/2007 at 19:04
The absolute worst thing I have witnessed along these lines is a cat I found under my car one day. I heard it crying at first, and when I looked it was a scene straight out of a horror movie. At first I though it had been shot, because quite a bit of fur was missing from its side and leg, and I could see several large and small holes. When I finally got it out, I realized these were maggot holes, the thing was full of them. How this poor thing was still alive, let alone walking was beyond me.
I called the police, so they could find a vet or someone who could do something for this poor creature. After several calls we finally found a vet who was willing to come in in the middle of the night and see what she could do. She managed to get rid of most of the maggots, the cat lived through the night but the next day was screaming in pain, so they put her down.
Don't let your cats roam the neighborhood, dump them off in a vacant lot, or just abandon them as this is the fate that awaits them...
Agent Subterfuge on 7/7/2007 at 16:49
Yeah man, cats were born to be coddled by us, period. No humans inevitably results in zombiecats.
Quixada on 7/7/2007 at 21:01
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http://www.habitatforhorses.org/whatsnew/lamare.html) The Louisiana Mare
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http://www.habitatforhorses.org/whatsnew/lamarepics.html) Very graphic
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What the owner did to this mare is beyond comprehension of any rational being, all because the mare was difficult to load. Bought for $35, the owner found a buyer willing to pay $100 and tried to load the mare to take her to her new owner. When the mare wouldn’t load correctly, he twisted barbed wire around her halter. When that didn’t work, he tied her to the back of the trailer and dragged her down the road. Angry that she fell, he then disconnected the trailer from his truck and let it roll over her.
ilweran on 9/7/2007 at 11:17
Quote Posted by Displacer
At first I though it had been shot, because quite a bit of fur was missing from its side and leg, and I could see several large and small holes. When I finally got it out, I realized these were
The cat was probably already injured and it probably hadn't been like that for very long - I had this happen to a rabbit & she got very ill very quick, the vet said once the eggs are laid, usually in a wound, they hatch in a few hours and survival rates are not great. My rabbit was given 50% chance of surviving, luckily she was stubborn, bloody minded and often obnoxious and pulled through.
Also, this subject is just about the only thing that makes me squeamish and I was eating my lunch when I read your post. Which is why I've cut off the quote where I have.
