Please don't smoke... - by Strangeblue
theBlackman on 15/7/2006 at 23:06
It's very fair. You made the choice to go knowing the risks. Like I said YOU MADE THE CHOICE. The rest should not be penalized to suit your hangups.
If you can't take the heat, keep your ass out of the kitchen.
SubJeff on 15/7/2006 at 23:10
So it's "fair" for you to be stabbed because you left that bar late and had to walk home a bit later? Stop being an idiot. It's not about "hangups". How the f is being concerned for you own heal a hangup?
SD on 15/7/2006 at 23:15
Quote Posted by theBlackman
It's very fair. You made the choice to go knowing the risks. Like I said YOU MADE THE CHOICE.
Unless we have maximum employment, then people who work in bars and restaurant don't really have a great deal of choice over their place of work.
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The rest should not be penalized to suit your hangups.
So smokers should not be penalised by being forced to smoke outside, rather workers in bars and restaurants should be penalised by having their health damaged. Spectacular, even for a doddering old fool like you.
SubJeff on 15/7/2006 at 23:18
I'm wondering what your view of medical treatment in regards to detrimental choices one has made are tBM. Do you think that if you get ill/injured as a result of your own decisions you have less right to treatment?
Jason Moyer on 15/7/2006 at 23:19
I certainly hope Pennsylvania continues to be reasonable and doesn't pass public smoking bans. I think the desire for profitability has already done enough to keep people from smoking in public places (i.e. banning it at the grocery store, the mall, most public businesses) and as others have noted elsewhere, if you want to go someplace where you can cause your liver to explode while attempting to have casual sex with people you don't know and then likely endangering other people's lives by driving home afterwards, don't be surprised if the owner of the establishment allows other vices as well.
Convict on 15/7/2006 at 23:20
Regarding that 1 drink for women limit/2 drinks for men limit per day, I went to reference 6
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http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/html/chapter9.htm) dietary guidelines) and the reason it gives is:
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Consuming more than one drink per day for women and two drinks per day for men increases the risk for motor vehicle accidents, other injuries, high blood pressure, stroke, violence, some types of cancer, and suicide. Compared with women who do not drink, women who consume one drink per day appear to have a slightly higher risk of breast cancer.
Most of these don't seem to be the alcohol per se. Should we also understand this to mean that if a woman has 1 drink of alcohol on e.g. July 4th she is ok but if this woman (who doesn't often drink alcohol) has 2 drinks on the 4th of July then she is at risk of a stroke/cancer/high blood pressure. I think not.
Jason Moyer on 15/7/2006 at 23:21
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Nice attitude. People keep repeating this same baloney but not one of them has justified why they believe bar staff should not be entitled to the same health and safety rights as all other workers.
Because where you work is as much of a choice as where you spend your social time? I mean, is there seriously any place on the earth where working in a restaurant or a bar is the only possible form of employment? Perhaps it's different in other areas, but where I live the people who choose to work in bars do so because of the large amount of extra money available from tips, or because they enjoy the "bar environment", not because they can't find a job elsewhere.
theBlackman on 15/7/2006 at 23:23
1. If such an activity is permitted, the "worker" has the choice of not working there, and the customer has the choice of not going there.
The bullshit about not being able to work is just that. Many barmaids, waiters, and other such smoke, will, have and will continue to work in such an environment.
As there are many places (Public eateries and bars) where No smoking is the rule, there are jobs for those you falsely argue can't find work.
2. Smokers are not penalized by being asked to smoke outside. This assumption on your part is also a false premise. The smoker has the same choice. Go to a place where smoking is prohibited, or where they are required to do so outside, is thier choice, and if you accept the conditions, they freely made the choice. It IS NOT A PENALTY. It is a fact of life, called FREE WILL or, if that eludes you Compromise.
Your ability to rationalize with false arguments is amazing.
Life is choices. You make them. Learn to live with them and stop blaming the rest of us for your problems and fuckups.
SubJeff on 15/7/2006 at 23:23
This assumption that choosing to drink alcohol neccesitates excess drinking behaviour and/or drink driving is very boring and very, very stupid.
theBlackman on 15/7/2006 at 23:34
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I'm wondering what your view of medical treatment in regards to detrimental choices one has made are tBM. Do you think that if you get ill/injured as a result of your own decisions you have less right to treatment?
The idiocy of your constantly diverting a discussion to a new area (rather attempting to when it gets too heated) is amusing.
To my knowledge I mentioned none of the crap you are bringing up. I said naught about treatment, lack thereof or, or anything other than it is the choice of the individual to endanger thier own life, to choose or not choose a path or place.
It remains. You have choice. If you don't like something, then avoid it or live with the fact that YOU put yourself in that place and time.
