Please don't smoke... - by Strangeblue
Convict on 13/7/2006 at 11:11
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Quote Posted by TGGP
Smoking bans for bars and restaurants are idiotic. If you don't want to go to a place with smokers, then don't go. Go to a restaurant where the owner decides to ban smoking.
Bar and restaurant workers are entitled to the same health and welfare rights at work as the rest of us are. That now (quite rightly) includes the right to not get cancer, heart disease or bronchitis via passive smoking.
I'd have to agree that this would be going too far in the capitalist direction, more than I am comfortable with.
Ghostly Apparition on 13/7/2006 at 12:59
Quote Posted by ercles
Plus the reason that they have car parks at pubs is because it is possible (shock horror) to go to a pub, have a quiet drink or two, and go home. In fact, it is (over here at least) the legal responsability of a licensed premasis to get you home safe if you are intoxicated, because it was pretty much illegal to get you drunk in the first place.
The comment about parking lots at bars was more of a joke.
Plus the lot of you seem to think the only effect alcohol has is drunk driving,
there are a whole lot of other adverse effects drinking causes.
I had 3 friends die of drinking before the age of 40, none involved a drunk driving accident.
AGAIN people, I'm not saying the smoking bans in public buildings is a bad thing. Far from it.
ercles on 15/7/2006 at 00:08
This was in this weeks new scientist
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http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19125594.500.html) http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19125594.500.html
Although you can't read the whole article, the start is what I wanted to point out. The rest talks about how people who smoke light think that they are fine, and are 50% less likely to quit, but it is still highly dangerous.
Just incase there was any doubt that second hand smoke is bad
Deep Qantas on 15/7/2006 at 02:01
Quote Posted by Nicker
Somehow I knew a viable answer wouldn't be forthcoming.
Why? Is that somehow different from smoking?
ercles on 15/7/2006 at 02:55
There is a massive difference between a habit that actively contributes to bad health/killing you every time you do it, and deaths that arise through accidents.
SubJeff on 15/7/2006 at 04:07
But what if the accident happened because someone was engaged in, or affected by, a habit that actively contributes to bad health/killing you every time you do it?? :weird:
theBlackman on 15/7/2006 at 06:21
I am amused by all the statistics being thrown around with no links to factual medical papers.
We kill more people with ... type of crap.
It's like murder. Most such occur in a home with household items and are commited by members of the family. Not on the street by muggers etc.
Or we (USA) kill more people in one year with automobile accidents than we lost in the Vietnam war, or in the current Irag situation.
The above are true, but as seems to be the pattern -which I won't break- I have not posted links but you can check with a little Google if you give a shit.
I'd like to see the beer, wine and liqour industry get the same heat as the tobacco producers and users.
As for me, I'd smoke chains if I could get them to burn.
But I don't subject others to the smoke. Not because of "medical" concerns, but because it is inconsiderate. But as is obvious from many of the comments here and on other forums, rude and obnoxious is the trend in the current society. Courtesy in smoking and nearly everything else takes a backseat to "ME FIRST, AND SCREW YOU".
SubJeff on 15/7/2006 at 07:53
But it's not really inconsiderate to smoke in a pub with your smoking buddies is it? Except when someone who is a non-smoker is also in the pub. But no, that's still not inconsiderate as such. It's a wider issue than simple consideration.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5176822.stm) Topical newsrasss
Why do people harp on about cars and alcohol (and both!)? The clear difference is that public smoking means that
other people are exposed to carcinogens without choice and with no easy way to avoid it. Alcohol mostly affects you (family crisis lol!), and cars are so essential in the 1st world that we just try to moderate the harmful crash/exhaust effects. Drink driving is
already illegal so...
ercles on 15/7/2006 at 09:07
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
But it's not really inconsiderate to smoke in a pub with your smoking buddies is it? Except when someone who is a non-smoker is also in the pub. But no, that's still not inconsiderate as such. It's a wider issue than simple consideration.
Good point, but it is much nicer to drink in a place where smoking is banned, than where it is not, purely because the joint will usually stink regardless of whether people are actually smoking at that point in time. I have been to a handful of places that are well ventilated enough that you wouldn't actually know that anyone is smoking, unfortunately the vast majority don't, and thus the problem arises.
SD on 15/7/2006 at 11:22
Quote Posted by theBlackman
I'd like to see the beer, wine and liqour industry get the same heat as the tobacco producers and users.
The beer, wine and liquor industry has never hidden the health effects of its products though. The tobacco industry is getting its payback for decades of lies, misleading marketing and shameful business practices.
