Played Thief for years before discovering... - by Cigam
Grandmauden on 28/7/2017 at 19:15
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How Would Karras's plan have actually worked?
As I recall, when the rust gas devours organic material, it turns that organic material into more rust gas. On its own, the rust gas wouldn't get far, and it would quickly settle into dust and become harmless. Therefore, Karras wanted to use the Cultivators from the Lost City to spread the gas further, allowing it to find and devour more organisms and multiply in volume. By sending the Servants to noble mansions with large gardens or conservatories, Karras was ensuring that the rust gas had enough organic material nearby so that it would quickly get out of control, thus consuming all organic life in The City (besides himself) and spreading into the wilds beyond.
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Are some of ther levels randomised in terms of enemy starting positions?
Starting positions aren't randomized, but the behavior you're seeing with the burricks has at least two explanations:
1) The burricks are set to patrol randomly, meaning they can pick any TrolPt on their route to walk to, as opposed to following the TrolPts in order.
2) When patrolling AI get too far away from you, their patrol will "freeze" until you get close enough for them to "reactivate."
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Why do some people call the Craymen Ratmen?
They're not talking about the craymen, but the "apebeasts" from the last three missions of TDP/G, due to their long tails and their face resembling a rodent's. Personally, I prefer to call them "monkeybeasts" to differentiate them from the apebeasts in TMA. Then we got actual ratbeasts in TDS, so...yeah. Definitely no "ratmen" in TDP/G.
Cigam on 29/7/2017 at 15:12
Thansk for the technical info. Pity the Burricks don't seem to randomly travel to the caves more often, since it is so much easier to deal with one there than all three right at the end.
Karras Plan: Seems a bit ambitious that the gas generated in the City would spread overseas and all over the Earth. But then he was mad wasn't he.
Esme on 31/7/2017 at 10:58
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...I have discovered that you can gas arrow frogbeasts and they even make a "falling over" sound...
You can also blackjack frogbeasts, I was always disappointed that I couldn't pick an unconscious frogbeast up & use them as grenades
Thinking Robot on 2/8/2017 at 15:23
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Karras Plan: Seems a bit ambitious that the gas generated in the City would spread overseas and all over the Earth. But then he was mad wasn't he.
In my opinion, Karras "only" wanted to wipe out the city. In LotP, Karras wrote that the drew circles, he knew the rust gas had a certain range. He wanted to construct the Builders Paradise on the ruins of the City after doomsday. :p
Cigam on 2/8/2017 at 19:36
Esme, blackjacking frogbeasts sounds dangerous. Surely they are too low to sneak up on them, and so you are referring to clonking them as they jump towards you?
Thinking Robot, in one of his Soulforge prattlings he says 'I am thankful that Karass was chosen to cleanse the Earth...,' Maybe this version of Earth is a lot smaller than ours :)
Cigam on 2/8/2017 at 19:46
Realised today while playing Lost City that the opening City section is not just some new section created for this mission, it appears in Assassins. It is actually the "home turf" area and so you are beginning Lost City outside your home, or near to it.
Perhaps I never realised this because I have not gone there that much in Assassins. Also, if you go to that part of the map in Assassins and jump in the river, the Lost City portal stone is there.
Makes me wonder whether there are any other City overlaps I have failed to spot. Maybe part of Assassins is part of Baffords or Undercover say.
Still though, even after more than 15 years I am finding out new stuff.
goldwell on 11/8/2017 at 03:52
I only discovered recently that holding crouch while on a ladder causes the player to slide down it. For the longest time I had been going to the bottom and if Garrett didn't hop off the ladder I would jump causing a lot of unnecessary noise.
Also I learned that if you hold crouch on the ladder and let go before you hit the bottom Garrett will grab back onto the ladder, so it's great if you want to slide down part of the way.
skacky on 11/8/2017 at 10:39
That was introduced in NewDark.
Esme on 11/8/2017 at 10:43
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Esme, blackjacking frogbeasts sounds dangerous. Surely they are too low to sneak up on them, and so you are referring to clonking them as they jump towards you?
Nope, crouch behind them, centre the frog, raise the BJ which will make you stand, so hit crouch again & swing, voila one KO'd frog, frog needs to be stationary long enough for you to do this I've never managed to KO a moving frog
marbleman on 11/8/2017 at 10:46
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Also I learned that if you hold crouch on the ladder and let go before you hit the bottom Garrett will grab back onto the ladder, so it's great if you want to slide down part of the way.
Say what? If I tap or even hold crouch, Garrett falls all the way to the bottom no matter what I try. Is there some kind of trick to re-attaching to a ladder?