pavlovscat on 15/9/2006 at 19:26
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I never said
you were dull. See GBM for reading lessons.
And for the record, doing the "Fixed" thing isn't reeeally an attack. It all depends on how touchy you are. Admittedly the "didn't get it" bit was a bit sharp but sheese, don't take it so seriously.
Try again. I teach one on reading between the lines. When you insult someone indirectly by desribing "people who" do or feel the same things, it's still insulting him. I'm not usually touchy, but you decided to make me your whipping boy of the hour. I don't tolerate that. You often come across as caustic & condescending in your posts. I won't just roll over and take it. Someone needs to crack it through your skull that your attitude isn't cute.
I don't know how old you are, but you act like a petulant 12 year old. Grow up.
7upMan on 15/9/2006 at 19:29
Okay, can we focus on the original matter for a sec (no, not that one)? Thanks. Here are my two cents on this matter:
In the end, everything comes down to the one fact: if only a small group has all the power, then this group will very soon become corrupted. No matter what the original intentions might have been. This is true for feudalism, nazism, stalinism (or even that imperialism/mercantilism the US seems to evolve toward to). History as well as Animal Farm have taught us that.
So I think d0om is right: Animal Farm really is an attack on the abuse of authority.
SubJeff on 15/9/2006 at 19:36
Quote Posted by pavlovscat
Try again. I teach one on reading between the lines. When you insult someone indirectly by desribing "people who" do or feel the same things, it's still insulting him.
Again, I never said this. I said
I find it dull. I can find whatever I like dull without it being a statement of any fact about the subject. I did not say I find
you dull (indeed you seem to have read many books I enjoyed greatly) nor did I say "people who say X are dull". I just keep hearing the same opinion/view about a couple of books that I think aren't done justice by those opinions/views/interpretations; in that I feel there is a lot more to them. I hardly decided to "make you" my "whipping boy". In any case, I didn't mean to cause you as much offence as I have, and for that I apologise.
And I'm sorry RBJ, that was mean of me.
dvrabel on 15/9/2006 at 19:44
Seeing as every economic system has aspects of capitalism a "capitalism bad" interpretation is neither interesting nor useful.
pavlovscat on 15/9/2006 at 20:35
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I didn't mean to cause you as much offence as I have, and for that I apologise.
Apology accepted, and returned for mistaking your meaning.
peace
Agent Monkeysee on 15/9/2006 at 21:24
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I don't even think that it's the system that fails - it's corrupted by the greedy animals.
Goddammit I hate this sentiment. If a social and political system is so easily derailed by corruption and cronyism then
the system fails. If it can't take into account basic bad behavior then it ain't no kinda system worth a thing.
Animal Farm is clearly a satire on the Soviet Revolution and its fallout. I'm fairly certain he even comes out and says that in other writings. If you want to build your little ideological fort in the corner and insist that Stalinism wasn't
true communism and therefore Animal Farm isn't an indictment of Communism in general than fine but it clearly wasn't about
something else entirely that had nothing to do with Communism.
Uncia on 16/9/2006 at 00:19
Quote Posted by dvrabel
Seeing as every economic system has aspects of capitalism a "capitalism bad" interpretation is neither interesting nor useful.
About as useful as "communism bad" and all the others. It's not like economic systems were created from ideas that appeared out of thin air, they simply took existing principles and went HAY GUYS, LET'S MAKE A SOCIETY WHERE THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. Even though it didn't work that well doesn't mean the underlying principles that brough them forth stopped being a facet in our current arrangement.
Scots Taffer on 16/9/2006 at 00:37
RBJ, you were supposed to wait for me so we could have a hottt subj_eff threesome. :(
jimjack on 16/9/2006 at 01:50
I haven't read Animal Farm yet, but it is possibly going to be required reading for me so I can take some notes here.
I can't get my head around any correllation with goats and nipples much less pigs...
Can't this just go back to nipple manipulation?
