Celtic_Thief on 15/9/2006 at 05:35
Quote Posted by MrDuck
Pinch it, then burn it.
At what temperature does a thread burn?
37637598 on 15/9/2006 at 05:38
well if there's nipple pinching, it's gotta be pretty hot. hot enough to cause an erectile dysfunction!:p
SubJeff on 15/9/2006 at 07:28
Quote Posted by pavlovscat
Animal Farm was an excellent commentary on capitalism which I didn't get.
Fixed.
pavlovscat on 15/9/2006 at 14:26
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Fixed.
Don't put words-or anything else-in my mouth. You don't know me. You don't know what I get.
I can only hope that you too are "fixed" so that you don't spawn any more like yourself.
PO!
Stitch on 15/9/2006 at 14:36
YOU TELL HIM SISTA
Matthew on 15/9/2006 at 14:38
SubjEff, how can you ever show your face in CommChat again now?
Rug Burn Junky on 15/9/2006 at 14:59
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Fixed.
WOW!
That is a blinding display of idiocy, even for you. Congrats!
------------
Let's look at this logically:
The characters in the book start from an assumption that capitalism is bad and communism is better.
They set up a communist system.
Communist system fails utterly - disproving their initial assumption that communist system is any better.
------------
If you want to split the hairs and properly call it a a critique on Stalinism, as opposed to communism, that would a nontrivial nitpick. Or you could say that it wasn't a critique of any particular system, so much as narrowed to the particular actors involved, and you'd at least have some basis.
But christ, if you think it's first and foremost a commentary on capitalism, you've got no right to tell anyone else that they don't get it.
d0om on 15/9/2006 at 15:06
I suppose you could argue that it was a critque on capitalism, in the way the pigs "betray" the other animals by taking effective ownership of the farm and its other animals themselves. It is not the communist system which fails but the inevitable corruption of those in charge to re-instate the old capitalist ways treating everything as their property.
This isn't really an attack on capitalism so much as abuse of authority, however.
(we now return you to your scheduled nipple pinching)
SubJeff on 15/9/2006 at 18:13
The characters do indeed start off with the assumption that communism is superior to capitalism, and yes it fails. But ultimately the system reverts to a capitalist one, it's just that not everyone realises it until the very end because they have been manipulated by the capitalist pigs (huuur). And at that point everyone but the pigs (just about iirc) is deeply unhappy with the system. I don't even think that it's the system that fails - it's corrupted by the greedy animals.
You could say it ends up being a communist dictatorship, yes (so fair enough with the Stalism) but if you ask me that's just another form of capitalism - it's just that the wealth pyramid is warped so that the proles make up an even greater proportion of the population. It's the way China has been for years, with the population split broadly into a super-rich and a super-poor. However, this is also the case in much of the "Third World" (how I dislike that term) and especially in Africa. But guess what - those African countries in that fit the mold are capitalist democracies.
So is Animal Farm a commentary on communism or on manipulated capitalism? I feel it's more the later than the former. And what doom said.
and I say nipple pinching is ok. trust me...
Rug Burn Junky on 15/9/2006 at 18:20
You = failed.
