242 on 23/8/2008 at 08:54
Yes, you don't understand me, I don't understand you ;) Your question was off the point to start with. You cited me where I was pointing that no country bombed Russia when they waged war in Chechnya, like Russia bombed tiny Georgia. Then you asked about Yugoslavia.
If you like to discuss Yugoslavia issue, I won't participate because I'm not competent enough in that matter. I'm not going to protect NATO or anyone else in that conflict.
You deem Georgia 100% guilty and claim its territories aren't its, failing to see that Saakashvili is in NO WAY worse than Putin considering how Putin dealt with Chechnya, yet Russians glorify Putin for how harshly and swift he dealt back then and hate Saakashvili for he tried to do the same. Then you mention hypocrisy flying around.
242 on 23/8/2008 at 09:11
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Aha, ignore list emptied?
Nope, I'm not going to argue. After all it's not because d'Spair is an idiot, actually he was one one of the most coherent and civilized opponents I ever had arguing with Russians, it's just because our points of view virtually on any matter are so contrary that polemic doesn't have a sense.
PS: Even though he wanted to banish me from other forum :laff:
TTK12G3 on 23/8/2008 at 17:30
Oh boy. :nono:
I honestly thought that TTLG comm chat was immune from from the world, but this war seems to have found a way to creep in. Well, it's to be expected.
All the crypto-Russians come out of the cracks and support the fight against a vast swath of "hur hur Russia eval".
Hypocrisy abound, talks of World War 3 pop up and everyone goes crazy. Chechnya, the Iraq War, NATO, Yugoslavia and images of bears savaging little men appear everywhere.
Useless discussion commanders! :mad:
d'Spair on 23/8/2008 at 22:06
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Not that I glorify NATO, but I mean Russia
really knows how to make friends.
I think Alexander the Third was quite right, when he said about two Russian allies, which are Russian army and Russian fleet.
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PS: Even though he wanted to banish me from other forum
Imperialist and dictator! :ebil:
Ultimately got banished myself. :eww:
SD on 24/8/2008 at 00:40
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Absurd, as well as full of obvious bias. What Russian "ideals and aims" do you possess such an intimate knowledge of?
I did actually live through the latter part of the Cold War, so I'm perfectly well acquainted with the aims and ideals of the USSR. This new Russia doesn't seem all that different from the USSR that brutalised so many millions - nor, indeed, does it seem all that different from the Imperial Russia that incited the pogroms from which my great-grandparents escaped to the free West.
Indeed, the only reason I am here is because my forebears fled Russian hatred in the 1800s. More than a century on, I see little change. Violent nationalism, persecution of minorities and brutal crushing of the human spirit still seems to be the order of the day in Russia. You could call that "obvious bias", I suppose. Someone notify me when Russia starts treating human beings with the humanity they deserve, k?
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Why the quantifier "brutally"? Do western "democratic" regimes assassinate gently and thoughtfully?
Well, we sure as hell don't poison them and watch them die a slow, horrible death. I believe the CIA prefers two taps to the head - infinitely more humane.
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By the way, the assassination you keep referring to has never been solved, and while British investigators did suspect Russian involvement, they culled no evidence that murder of Litvinenko had any ties to the Kremlin.
Use your noggin. Russia had far and away the most to gain from Litvinenko's death. He met with two "former" KGB agents on the day he was poisoned (of course, as Badri Patarkatsishvili says, "there is no such thing as a former KGB agent").
Clear means and motive. That's what the guys on CSI might call an open and shut case. Sometimes things are exactly what they seem.
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Excuse me but sponsoring the assassination of a democratically elected president just because he disagrees with you is not and can never be justified by "right reasons". And that's just one example. That kind of shit put South America decades behind (and the situation wasn't that great in the first place) and drenched it in blood for twenty-thirty years.
I'm not trying to justify it, just to put it in historical context. Since the end of the Cold War, America hasn't been quite so keen to go around ousting democratically-elected communist governments. I think we all need to move on from this sort of thing, because the United States certainly has.
TTK12G3 on 24/8/2008 at 02:36
You have no idea what you are talking about.
SD on 24/8/2008 at 03:44
Why don't you point out some of the faults then instead of sitting there grumbling like a retard
clearing on 24/8/2008 at 04:27
I guess this tells us what country you might hail from. 242, you from orange Ukraine?
DaBeast on 24/8/2008 at 08:10
Quote Posted by dreamcatcher
By the way, the assassination you keep referring to has never been solved, and while British investigators did suspect Russian involvement, they culled no evidence that murder of Litvinenko had any ties to the Kremlin. And that is even though the assassination was sloppy and left plenty of breadcrumbs behind.
But didn't Putin tell those investigators to fuck off thereby crippling their inquiry?
242 on 24/8/2008 at 08:59
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
Man, just yesterday I wanted to wrote
exactly the same about your previous post. :laff:
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Why don't you point out some of the faults then instead of sitting there grumbling like a retard
He just tried to look smarter than others, but failed :)
