242 on 22/8/2008 at 18:49
First, I never said that majority of Russians support Zhirinovskiy, I said that he is influential and quite popular Russian politician, even though he is an idiot. He bears important office and favoured by Kremlin, could very well be next Russian President after Yeltsin if Putin didn't appear, Kremlin bosses use him and similar to express their position when they don't want to stain themselves;
second, I clearly remember d'Spair was supporting LDPR party on Russian forum, and Zhirinovskiy is (or at least was) its owner and chairman. I'm sorry if my memory fails me.
I wouldn't be surprised if d'Spair lost interest to them because they support Putin and co. and Putin and co. does not act radical enough for his taste when matter concerns "defense" of Russian nation in Russian Federation, and can't venture to ultimately banish all "hostile" churches from Russia leaving only Orthodox and possibly Islam ones. At least it's his wishes I learned when was communicating with him on other forum.
Muzman on 22/8/2008 at 18:50
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So while modern Russia (and old USSR) brutally assassinating people is entirely in line with their ideals and aims, when democracies do those things, they are compromising their ideals "for the greater good", as a means to a better end.
...competely by accident amid imperialism and profiteering, but I suppose so.
(this thread is great; it's almost like a what if we had the web in the eighties)
dreamcatcher on 22/8/2008 at 19:11
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I said that he is influential and quite popular Russian politician, even though he is an idiot. He bears important office and favoured by Kremlin, could very well be next Russian President
That is utter nonsense. Zhirinovskiy is an assclown of international renown and no intelligent voter would take him seriously. Yes, he's a leader of a party and has some followers. Guess what? Russia has dozens of parties and political organizations battling for power in their government and he's nowhere near the top of the pile. For chrissake, the guy conjurs up images of an even smaller-brained, louder-mouthed version of Bill O'Reiily with some political clout.
d'Spair on 22/8/2008 at 19:20
Aha, ignore list emptied?
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I said that he is influential and quite popular Russian politician, even though he is an idiot.
That's absurd. An influential and popular politician can't be an idiot.
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I clearly remember d'Spair was supporting LDPR party on Russian forum, and Zhirinovskiy is (or at least was) its owner and chairman. I'm sorry if my memory fails me.
You're not quite right. I think Jirinovskiy is a very clever and articulate man, and I agree with many things he says. Unfortunately, that is all he does - saying things. He does nothing exactly because, as you said,
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He bears important office and favoured by Kremlin.
This is true. He is just a puppet saying things.
That's exactly why I
don't support him and his party. Out of all the choices, LDPR may sound the best (for me), but I never took part in any recent elections in Russia because I know there is nothing behind his words.
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I wouldn't be surprised if d'Spair lost interest to them because they support Putin and co. and Putin and co.
does not act radical enough for his taste when matter concerns "defense" of Russian nation in Russian Federation, and can't venture to ultimately banish all "hostile" churches from Russia leaving only Orthodox and possibly Islam ones. At least it's his wishes I learned when was communicating with him on other forum.
You're quite right here, with a few exceptions.
Banishing all the churches is neither possible, nor good. What should be done is maintaining a strong priority of Russian Orthodox church over all the others.
242 on 22/8/2008 at 19:33
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almost like a what if we had the web in the eighties
Almost, that's it. Because if it was back then, at least Americans wouldn't be severely deluded, as they are now, into thinking that Russians deem Americans partners and are good to them. Truth is evident from Russian forums, especially those with mass of youths, who are already appropriately "trained" by mass media and herd instinct.
It's something that has
very annoyed me these years, how different is attitude of Russians to Americans on Russian forums and Americans to Russians on American forums, at least when a political issue is discussed. Drastic contrast. There basically is NO ONE who would side with Americans in any political debate on Russian forums. Bashing starts immediately.
rachel on 22/8/2008 at 20:10
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Not that I want to excuse assassinations on behalf of the American government, but those actions (and indeed, other similar, such as the overthrow of numerous democratically-elected governments) need to be viewed in context. That context is the Cold War - the battle between freedom and totalitarianism. And while I wouldn't dream for a moment of condoning such behaviours, it's important to recognise that they were ostensibly carried out for the right reasons.
Excuse me but sponsoring the assassination of a democratically elected president just because he disagrees with you is not and can never be justified by "right reasons". And that's just one example. That kind of shit put South America decades behind (and the situation wasn't that great in the first place) and drenched it in blood for twenty-thirty years.
They didn't give a fuck for the greater good. They wanted their side to win, as in all wars. The "greater good" and the people, well, they're just collateral damage like always.
Matthew on 22/8/2008 at 21:08
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That's absurd. An influential and popular politician can't be an idiot.
Aha. Ahahahahahaha.
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Banishing all the churches is neither possible, nor good. What should be done is maintaining a strong priority of Russian Orthodox church over all the others.
I would agree with the first part but not the latter.
clearing on 23/8/2008 at 03:29
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Georgia's or anyone's else aircrafts didn't bomb Russian towns, anyone's fleet didn't drown Russian ships for that etc.
Oh boy, you are forgetting... NATO savagely and brutally bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days, killing many civilians, damaging civilian infrastructure, hitting targets such as water and electricity grids causing untold suffering to civilians, bombed an embassy and a passenger train, devastated the environment with cluster bombs and depleted uranium. No?
242 on 23/8/2008 at 07:51
Dude, since when Yugoslavia became Russia's province?
BTW, Serbia of which you sooo cared will be NATO member, and quite soon. And "16th republic of USSR" Bulgaria already there, all Slav countries already there except post-USSR's and Serbia. Not that I glorify NATO, but I mean Russia really knows how to make friends.
When you seek your country's enemies, that you like to do it seems, if you were really open minded and could analyse why every civilized former ally went off of Russia, you would find your main enemies quite close, at Rubliovskoje Highway and in Kremlin, you would find them on your own forums, not oversees, because everyone who is dumb enough to humiliate those who aren't agreed with Russia's policy disgraces Russia greatly. I already said this - respect and be respected, repsect different points of view and different policy.
clearing on 23/8/2008 at 08:26
242, я не понимаю тебя, ты уходишь от вопросов опять. I do recognize the enormity of the hypocrisy that is flying around though.
