Ellatan on 14/1/2014 at 13:31
He never said anything about piracy, it could be a lot of things, like trying it on friend's steam account. Developers are just making checking out games harder without releasing playable demos. Besides EM has been really poor with releasing actual gameplay footage.
Platinumoxicity on 14/1/2014 at 14:58
Okay, I didn't expect that. I guess I'm too old-fashioned. Well, to me the concept of "multiplayer" still means several people sitting on the same couch with controllers in their hands. If kids these days wanna insist on calling this thing "software piracy" -then I guess that we can retroactively rename the ol' "going to a friend's house" with a new name too. "Hardware piracy". You didn't pay for that physical copy of the game, so you must have "downloaded it illegally" from your friend's shelf. You can't expect to be able to play someone else's game for free. That would be like your family being able to be passengers in your car without the manufacturer being compensated. :rolleyes:
Apparently, not only are playable demos becoming more and more rare, but the actual concept of trying products before investing seems to have become associated with illegality. :erg: Game promotion is deceptive, and consumers are discouraged to buy after reviews by content being taken away if they don't buy in advance. There's something very wrong with the market. Back in the old days, devs thought that their games were so good that they couldn't wait to let people try them so they put a little (or a lot) extra effort into producing demos. Today, devs think that their games suck so bad that they can't let anyone form an educated opinion on their products before buying, because they absolutely know that opinion is going to be negative, and purchase non-existant. So demos are out of the question, and sensible consumers need to be extorted with pre-removed content to be included only in a blind purchase.
Oh, and since someone did associate trying games with piracy, let's think about this... The concept of trying before buying piracy would be an universally, objectively positive thing. The devs don't need to lift a finger to give concerned consumers a gameplay demonstration, whereas in the old days they needed to produce the demo. Good devs who make a good game will be compensated when the player's expectations are met, and their direction and style is supported. Bad devs who make a bad game do not recieve anything, and their direction and style is not supported. Good guys win, bad guys lose, and natural selection makes the industry better for everyone. And absolutely free of charge.
SubJeff on 14/1/2014 at 15:23
Come on man, you know it looks like you're advocating downloading and trying it first and your whole "what multiplayer means to you" has nothing to with this.
If you meant trying it at a friends house just say that.
I've heard your pirate-try-before-you-buy argument. I'm not sure about it.
Renault on 14/1/2014 at 15:43
Yeah, usually when someone uses the phrase "try the game for free" they don't mean checking it out at a friend's house. But the wording was vague enough that I don't think any of the mods here would care anyway.
Heck, they'll probably have the thing on demo at the local Best Buy, so that'll be another way to check it out. But in the end, I think people who post frequently here and on the Eidos boards will more than likely pick up a copy anyway, despite all the posturing about demos and agreeing with the direction of the game. Normally I'd agree with the "Do not pre-order" stance, but most Thief fans are too anxious to play it first hand and see if it measures up at all to the originals.
demagogue on 14/1/2014 at 23:40
It'd be admittedly nice to have a physical box next to the other 4 games in their boxes on my shelf. That might mean more to me than actually finishing it (depending on how good the missions are).
gunsmoke on 16/1/2014 at 01:10
Yeah, I'd like a physical PC copy as well. It's no deal-breaker if it is download only, but I'd love to have a 'complete' set.
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Shinrazero on 16/1/2014 at 06:43
There's no way I would purchase this or any other game without trying it first.
Renault on 16/1/2014 at 07:04
Really, any game? Seems a bit excessive. And how do you propose to try all these games out for free before purchasing them?
demagogue on 16/1/2014 at 10:15
It's bad enough people abstractly suggest pirating; we don't need to give them an engraved invitation to talk about it. :p If you want to have something to discuss, complain about the dearth of demos these days when you want to try a game before buying. It's not like it's an unreasonable thing to want by itself.
Renault on 16/1/2014 at 14:54
I really wasn't even suggesting piracy was involved in any way. I was really just saying it's incredibly unrealistic to think you can actually try every single game you have interest in before you purchase it. More often than not, you end up having to rely on reviews, word of mouth, and youtube vids.
Sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose on these things. In recent memory, for AAA games, I consider DXHR, Skyrim, and Dishonored wins, and Bioshock Infinite a loss. You try to be be as informed of a consumer as you can be, but at some point you just need to take the plunge. I have 200 games on my Steam account - who would have ever had the time to try each one before purchase?