Huckeye on 6/4/2006 at 11:51

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there is very little logic oozing out of this thread and even less common sense.

You agreed to static game content when you exchanged cash for this product and now you are complaining that it is not treated like an MMO? You want constant updates to one of the largest, most ambitious games ever made and you want them for free?

You do realize that when you pay for cable that there are 'extra' channels that don't come with it? Do you spend your free time calling the cable company a thief and a cheat for not GIVING you the extra content?

I have 170 PC games in my collection (not to mention several dozen that were not worth keeping) and Oblivion is by far one of the most polished and finished games I have ever played. I don't want to make Bethsoft out to be more than they are, because they are getting paid for their work, BUT they did make some choices during the design process of this game that many other companies would have sold out on. They put their necks out and went BIG! Not too many people these days are willing to do that. If you have played more than 5 minutes of the game it is blaringly obvious that they did not have dollar signs in their eyes when they made the game. If they did, they would have released it before Xmas, not after and then the game would have had REAL problems. I wont argue that they don't want money, but it is easy to see that greed didnt step in and alter the game as it does for so many others.

As for valve! HA! I was able to play this game out of the box and I didnt have to download GBs of crap after installing the game, and they didnt break my game with an unwanted patch, and I can play the single player game without being online, and ... Well, lets just say I will never play a Valve game as long as steam is a requirement. How great will your Half Life 2 be when they decide its not worth the money to keep running the validation servers? I guess you can play games from companies that actually let you play the game when and how you want to like, oh, Oblivion to name 1.

Since an optional $2.00 mod means the end of the world, lets just give that ridiculous notion some imaginary credibilty for a second... OK, so Bethsoft decides to scrap the editor on ES5. SO WHAT!!!!! If you would skip that game and the hundreds of hours of content just for that, only so you could go spend the exact same money on a 10 hour long static game with no mods, updates, or patches, you have some issues that no one on these forums are capable of helping you with. Most of us here are Thief fans. Did you constantly trash Looking Glass because they didnt release free content after you bought the game? THEY DIDNT! So where is the disloyalty to them?

Some of you people are comparing this game to things that have never exsisted. Stop comparing Apples to time travel and be thankful this game didnt follow the countless others that got sold down the river before its release.

Huckeye on 6/4/2006 at 12:51

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Alarmists? Rather than make baseless acusations for or against the product I contacted Valve directly to ask how they would handle the game if they decided it was no longer profitable, or there was an ownership change, or if any other number of things happened that could affect Vavle later on down the road. Their answer was "we cannot predict what can happen in the future, thanks for contacting us".

I expected to at least get lied to. Something along the lines of what you said "there are many games using it so don't worry". but no, the company didnt even share your optimizm.

You leave out many truths in your arguments. Offline mode is buggy and many have reported that it still doesnt work sometimes. Online distribution is how companies control what you do and how you do it. It is exactly what every gamer should be against. I'm glad for you that you like it, but you'll not convince us blind 'haters' that someone else is going to tell me how to play games and at greater lengths even how to use my computer.

The difference is I actually have reasons to hate Steam. And I mean REALLY hate it! So lets summarize to try and swing back on topic. Its ok for a company to sell a box without a game in it. You MUST use an internet connection at least some of the time to play a single player game, the distribution control methods have been reported by thousands to be buggy (I belive you when you say you have had no problems, but you have to concede that others have). And whether theory or not, you have to question what your options will be years from now (even if you think you wont want to play the game in 10 years, others will expect to be able to just like we can play Thief 1 right now even though the company that made it went out of business). All of this is not only completely OK, but if anyone doesnt like it, they "cant see the forest through the trees"? But, if a company releases an optional 2$ mod, well that is something to really complain about? Bethsoft went too far?

Forgive me, but you simply just dont make sense to me.

Thirith on 6/4/2006 at 13:39

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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you're trying to say. So who has Valve sold out to by wanting to sell shorter episodic content at lower prices?

If you honestly don't think that there's a difference between an add-on that costs a third of a regular game and keeps you busy playing for a third of the length of that regular game and an add-on that you pay for which is of a primarily cosmetic nature, then quite frankly you're a bit daft.

I'd agree that it's silly to complain that Bethesda is ripping off buyers, because we have a choice - to buy or not to buy. But regardless of that, the add-ons announced that we'd have to pay for look like really cruddy value for money.

Tuco on 6/4/2006 at 14:09

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Horse armor. hahahaha

I don't even think Huckeye knows who his original post is directed towards. It's like there's two camps, and the 'pro-we-don't-care-if-beth-sells-us-two-dollar-shits' camp isn't even shooting in the right direction.

Here's another thing for you to chew on, one of the big features promised for Oblivion was continual support by offering these 'mini-expansions' to keep the game fresh. Then they come out with their first 'mini-expansion' and it's a piece of crap I wouldn't take for free? It's more bad idea than offensive idea, it's just stupid and hilarious. I will be making fun of them for it until they come out with a mini-expansion that I'd actually like(well, I'll still make fun of them for it)

hahahah horse armor hahahah

Tuco on 6/4/2006 at 15:19

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I do everything for the pure joy of it.

Even making a program that uses (http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/PDF/External-Polymorphism.pdf) external polymorphism for a presentation on the subject

This is one big bad mother fucking function

template <class ConcreteType> ConcreteCommon<ConcreteType>::ConcreteCommon (ConcreteType t) : realThis_ (t)
{
}

=( back to work