Koki on 20/5/2009 at 19:34
I stopped reading at identity card panic.
The Alchemist on 20/5/2009 at 20:33
Read: Bilderberg
Exit.
heretic on 20/5/2009 at 20:45
One doesn't need to be paranoid to be concerned about the Bilderberg Conference, only informed.
"...
within the next hundred years, nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority."
Strobe Talbott
President Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State
Time Magazine
July 20, 1992
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,976015,00.html) Source
Muzman on 20/5/2009 at 21:07
I get more spooked by what goes on at the various tech-standards governing companies. You can read what they talk about and half the time it doesn't help.
demagogue on 20/5/2009 at 22:02
I'm not sure it's "nationhood" which will be obsolete so much as "authority".
The writing on the wall is that all the governance sorts of things will be boiled down to some basic technical standards that have been thrashed out in so many directions by so many groups that the politics of it gets practically squeezed out. One of the few things voting is still good for even today is to have somebody to fire when they can't follow the basic standards, and hire somebody else to do the same thing properly. The idea that some group of people have some natural right or legitimacy to make decisions for everybody just because the "public supports them" sort of passed along with male sock-garters as hopelessly old fashioned. If the question is what's a tolerable level of benzene in a given water shed, is it so surprising that the decision ultimately feeds back to what the toxicologists think? Do you really want to trust the "equal vote" of the weird cat lady down the street on this?
Like all politics, the dodgy underside is always still lurking there somewhere, you have to dig it out. That's why these things have to be transparent and the public has to pay attention. The compltely right thing to do is keep a skeptical eye on any decision-making forum, whatever its source (local, domestic, transnational, international) without falling into the trap of thinking some are naturally "good" and some naturally "evil". You need a healthy skepticism towards all of it, but not a scitzophrenic paranoia.
Also, conspiracy theorists give individuals way too much credit for "organizing" behavior. You hardly ever need conspiracy ... You've got political action theory, prospect theory, organization theory and a diversity of "corporate cultures", Coase's theorem, Nash's theorem, a couple of cognitive biases ... There's your explanation and diagnosis for 99% of decisions that get made in the world.
june gloom on 21/5/2009 at 00:23
Funny, my journo teacher was just talking about the "no pictures of policemen" thing when I mentioned that the city hall of a local municipality I was covering for an assignment refused to talk to me about anything ever because of "security reasons."
heretic on 21/5/2009 at 00:53
Quote Posted by demagogue
..conspiracy theorists give individuals way too much credit for "organizing" behavior. You hardly ever need conspiracy ... You've got political action theory, prospect theory, organization theory and a diversity of "corporate cultures", Coase's theorem, Nash's theorem, a couple of cognitive biases ... There's your explanation and diagnosis for 99% of decisions that get made in the world.
Mentioning socio-political theory that exists outside of conspiracy obviously does nothing to prevent like-minded individuals or organizations from using the same as apparatus, or parsing such data when searching for a means to an end.
You will see when the reptoids come for you, but by then I fear it will be too late.
demagogue on 21/5/2009 at 00:56
And the irony of that is that they are following the same theories in their own behavior; the only difference is that they don't recognize it.
Gnothi seauton.
heretic on 21/5/2009 at 01:05
Hen oida hoti ouden oida.
