fett on 8/1/2009 at 19:45
The thing that stands out about Led Zepplin to me is their use of negative space (something modern bands don't even pay attention to with the exception of Rage Against the Machine and King's X). Listen to what Page doesn't play and realize no one had really approached the guitar in that way previously outside of blues guitar solos. He applied the concept to the riff, and dragged Bonham's bass drum along with him. There's so much negative space in songs like "Levy" or "Rock N' Roll" you start to wonder if the rhythm section just walked away in the middle of the riff. Historically speaking, it's fucking brilliant.
Kuuso on 8/1/2009 at 22:53
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That was my first impression too. And their mostly odd meters. But there's also their acoustic side, especially on albums III, IV and Houses of the Holy, where he plays with undisputed grace. I respect Page mostly for his studio work. In this field he's way up there with anyone as an arranger and producer. Furthermore he (and multinstrumentalist Mr. Jones, who is the most influential Zep member for me as a musician) worked as arrangers and players on about half of all 60ties british recordings, being hardly 20 years old. So much for talent and overrating.
But yes there was a sliiight tendency to extravaganza in their live shows. To me that's just a sign of the times. They pushed it, sometimes for brilliance, sometimes for falling flat. This wasn't tabooed yet, and that's basically a good thing. No rules please. If you think they're not a talented band, I can't but point to their albums and even to sheet music. There I really learned about them. No point discussing.
Yeah I sure second that. :D
I adored Nirvana but didn't listen to too much miserable grunge. Soundgarden and that's about it. I turned more to the whacky and harder edged bands like Melvins, The Jesus Lizard, Sonic Youth, Rollins, Hüsker Dü, Dinosaur Jr, Helmet, Tar, Alice Donut and other stuff from SST, Alternative Tentacles and AmRep.
I used to. Until I discovered Zeppelin when I was 15. I still respect them for their albums Fireball and Who Do We Think We Are, where they strayed from the rock ooomph stampede towards more sonic experimentations.
I find it weird to call Zeppelin untalented while enjoying Deep Purple. Especially their latter years with Coverdale & Hughes were drenched with self indulgent cock (or coke-) rock and individual posing.
Maybe I've got across a tad too extreme, but I don't think they're talentless, I just think their talent is hyped way too much, especially live. I'd say some of their egos might have been bigger than their will to actually make those live shows work...They fuck up way too much for my liking.
I firstly got to know the original German Kraut Rock scene due to my dad and I can't but compare it to "classic rock" acts, whom it wins easily. So that might play a part in this all.
Hey, I like Deep Purple, but I didn't say they're that good. I absolutely adore the hammond organ and what Jon Lord did with it, so that's a big plus for me. Roger Glover's bass work is awesome as well, but overall, there's no denying most of their records are trash. :p
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I can respect that, but I find it odd that a lover of jazz would take so much issue with long instrumental freestyle sections. :confused:
That's because I don't rate their long instrumental work that good.
Thief13x on 8/1/2009 at 23:13
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or jazz, which mostly surpasses everything in and out of mainstream popular music in pure musicianship ;)
I was really trying to be as sarcastic as possible:p
Also I don't know why people are arguing about Seinfeld since humor is so subjective. It's pretty simple really: if you only laugh at anything with "ballsack" as the punchline, you probably won't like Seinfeld.
june gloom on 8/1/2009 at 23:27
hahahahaha ballsack hahahahahaha
Kuuso on 9/1/2009 at 00:00
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I was really trying to be as sarcastic as possible:p
Also I don't know why people are arguing about Seinfeld since humor is so subjective. It's pretty simple really: if you only laugh at anything with "ballsack" as the punchline, you probably won't like Seinfeld.
That's no reason for to limit yourself from proclaiming how awesome jazz and everyone who listens to it, is it?
pavlovscat on 9/1/2009 at 00:55
Who is this Seinfeld you speak of? :confused:
And reality shows suck.
ercles on 9/1/2009 at 02:04
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Since [rock's] so stale as a genre.
This
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Led Zepplin aren't very talented
And this are both blindingly wrong. Very very wrong. Although I don't listen to Led Zep very much anymore, and although some of their poorer songs are overplayed, they are undoubtedly one of the most important bands since forever. The reason I do enjoy listening to them is the completeness of the band, there aren't any real weak links in the band or their songs, I see them all as pretty damn talented people in their own right.
Do you really think rock is stale? Or was that another hyperbole?
Kuuso on 9/1/2009 at 02:46
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This
And this are both blindingly wrong. Very very wrong. Although I don't listen to Led Zep very much anymore, and although some of their poorer songs are overplayed, they are undoubtedly one of the most important bands since forever. The reason I do enjoy listening to them is the completeness of the band, there aren't any real weak links in the band or their songs, I see them all as pretty damn talented people in their own right.
Do you really think rock is stale? Or was that another hyperbole?
Rock is such a broad genre, so it's bound to go down to semantics, but nowadays the main light is on these "indie-rock" acts, I believe Franz Ferdinand started the newest wave, although the whole britpop scene was in it too. American rock is even more dull.
There's always interesting stuff, if you dig hard enough, but that's also the bands who mix things up and defy genres.
Ghostly Apparition on 9/1/2009 at 02:48
Quote Posted by Thief13x
I was really trying to be as sarcastic as possible:p
Also I don't know why people are arguing about Seinfeld since humor is so subjective. It's pretty simple really: if you only laugh at anything with "ballsack" as the punchline, you probably won't like Seinfeld.
Funny, when you said that I immediately thought of the "Master of my domain" episode. Classic stuff.
