Kolya on 7/9/2010 at 22:52
We were trying to do it to you, but you don't even seem to notice. :mad:
june gloom on 7/9/2010 at 23:00
No, I just don't care. You want to run me out of here? Ban me. 'Cuz until then I'm going to slaughter geek sacred cows, not care about cable TV, and enjoy Call of Duty. Gasp, shock, horror.
you can kill me but two more will take my plaaaaaace
jtr7 on 8/9/2010 at 00:16
Sometimes, a wee straw breaks an overloaded camel's back.
Sometimes, a meltdown is really a giant raspberry blast (yummy), with spittle flying everywhere because the trigger was so absurd or bogglingly dumb, and the reaction is meant to trout-slap, and it's not a meltdown.
Sometimes, a meltdown is a desired effect, and people pounce when they think they are seeing what they have been waiting for, and never know how greatly they failed on many levels.
Sometimes, a cry for help is laughed into silence, and the crier is called a pussy by the ignorant and arrogant, which is good for no one.
Sometimes, a human being is really enjoying the company of others on a forum. Truly!
Sometimes, an asshole truly intends to cause disruption, and they are usually rewarded and given favor over those who reacted defensively.
It's disgusting to think that the people one interacts with are not people but pieces of Internet, and for one to think that because they are on the Internet, they should give in to their base selves, and should expect a reward (which they usually get). Confusing vulgarity for maturity is clearly juvenile thinking, and calling considerate restraint around mixed audiences "creepy" and calling excessive pornographic and hateful speech around mixed audiences "healthy", is pathological.
Sometimes people really aren't lying or competing or bragging or trying to get away with anything, but are just relaxing with people they consider genuine friends. And it's not only on the Internet that that is often a mistake.
Some people really don't think frequent razzing is funny, and they aren't pussies for thinking so.
Some people are accused of being black & white about something by people who are thinking it's a cut and dry situation.
Some people are not here to waste time, and have been helped through dark times in their life, and those who don't care should just not post how not caring they are. You don't have to understand the surface message to know there's something going on behind it that isn't cold 'Net texting.
I'll say it for you: "Blah [expletive] blah blah blah".
This thread is hypocrisy. It's no more valid than any other if the OP means what he says, and yet he felt compelled to post anyway. And members who've agreed have been caught lying. Now that I know that anything Queue posts over the Internet has no purpose but to fill space and no humanity behind it, I shall treat any further messages as such. Thanks for relieving me of wasting empathy! (For some of you, there is facetiousness here and there, and as usual, I don't expect anyone to know the difference, but they will come up with the usual fiction to amuse.)
Queue on 8/9/2010 at 00:46
You know, regardless of it all, what I find most amazing are those that have what they consider true friends here, or anywhere on the internet. Personally, I don't feel close to anyone here because, for the most part, people don't seem that interested. Though I tried early on to get to know people (and still do through the occasional, and generally unanswered, PM or profile message), I gave that up pretty damn quick after realizing that people (as am I) are guarded about letting themselves be known, and either mostly don't want to be troubled with making new acquaintances or are just happy with the friends they have or the clique they belong to. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's just the way I see it.
And I take that back, there are two people around here that I trust enough to know about me, but it's mostly on the surface. And even then only one of them has semi-knowledge of my own issues.
Now I know that I often say inflammatory things around here, but I'm just an inflammatory person who mostly lacks a filter. It's not an excuse in anyway; it's just an admission that I'm an asshole. But I truly don't mean any harm to anyone, and I doubt that anyone else here does as well--at least not from what I've seen. As a community, we all seem pretty adept at running off the real jerks that truly intend harm. It's the one thing that seems to pull us together the most, and really makes us shine.
I don't know if that's a good thing, or a sad thing.
And by the way, dethtoll is one of my most favorite people here. That should worry him.
june gloom on 8/9/2010 at 00:56
damn right it does
Renault on 8/9/2010 at 01:09
Let's be honest though, TBE basically said he was a mind reader. Around this place, that's just not going to lead to a string of serious, caring, and genuine responses. I guess that's one point - you have to know your audience.
Just like the King of tldr above - no one here is going to respond to such drivel, at least not in a good way.
Queue on 8/9/2010 at 01:15
Quote Posted by jtr7
This thread is hypocrisy. It's no more valid than any other if the OP means what he says, and yet he felt compelled to post anyway. And members who've agreed have been caught lying. Now that I know that anything Queue posts over the Internet has no purpose but to fill space and no humanity behind it, I shall treat any further messages as such. Thanks for relieving me of wasting empathy! (For some of you, there is facetiousness here and there, and as usual, I don't expect anyone to know the difference, but they will come up with the usual fiction to amuse.)
Sorry if you saw my post that way, jtr, because I'm not damning anybody nor am I saying that nothing that is said here doesn't truly matter or is real. To most, it does! All I'm saying is that it's does one no good to get so hurt over idiocy, nor does it help the issue to run away.
If people are going to say that the interaction had on the internet is just the same as in real life, then act like it! Honestly, would one run away in a huff from an issue in real life, or would they want to work through it? That's what seems disingenuous to me.
Scots Taffer on 8/9/2010 at 01:23
I look at Vivian's example of reacting to being told he's a cock (and you are*) and Kolya's comment about "maybe you don't know the internet" a different way.
I make a conscious choice to engage differently with the varying levels of social interaction (and that in turn, I suppose, dictates my reaction to those interactions) - I wouldn't always make the same joke that I'd make in private with close friends as I would with colleagues as I would with family, but I'm more likely to make that same joke with TTLG than I am with Facebook or Twitter (and for much of the same reasons).
To justify this decision for a moment, my style of humour is very sarcastic, self-deprecating and based (I think) on an irreverence of social mores and healthy disrespect for barriers. That doesn't work for everyone. I am well aware that a joke to me may be a gross offence to some (from them not seeing that subject as a joking matter or due to personal relevance) or provoke exaggerated negative reaction in others (be it due to political correctness or an overly rigid social sensibility).
That said, there's always a line. I'm not a believer of the 4chan style of humour. I love irreverence when it's targeted at pop culture and subjects worthy of scorn**, not people who've experienced true loss or pain. I think of the attacks on people who set up websites devoted to their dead unborn children, while grotesque in its own right, these people have earned - through pain and loss - the choice of doing that. I don't agree with it, but I don't agree with mocking those who have suffered misfortune. I think that's immoral, however I also realise this is a personal choice based on my own beliefs and is not shared by all.
** Who is worth of scorn? I look at it through the prism of "are they causing harm to others", which I use to put my own actions (not necessarily my jokes, but the way I live my life) into context. I'm thinking of anti-gay bible bashers, for example. They are worthy of scorn, but also of education and enlightenment.
But even this line is subject to debate, there's always time for a "never forget" joke, am i rite. Is that being truly disrespectful to those who died? Or is it more an attack on the political response to that tragedy and the warped way it grabbed hold of the loss to twist it into something else? I think it's clear which, but it would also largely depend on your audience. Make a "never forget" joke, however ironically, to a person who's husband or wife or family member died in the Towers, and I imagine you'll be made to feel like the ignorant douchebag you are.
It's all context, and ultimately, that's what makes internet so difficult for some people. The ability to discern and read the context of a comment with situational awareness (i.e. audience, subject matter).
I ultimately have to make the choice of who I say what to and I am ultimately responsible for that reaction; like Stitch says, I accept this. I also realise though that there is no pleasing everyone and if sometimes people dislike me because of my personality or humour, that's the price I pay for being me. It's quite probable that the people who have a problem with my personality or humour are people that I may not get along with anyway, due to differing world views. At the end of it all, I suppose it comes down to context and the tug of war over individuality/personality and social normalisation.
* Love ya, ya big cardy wearing faggot
PeeperStorm on 8/9/2010 at 01:34
Quote Posted by Queue
Though I tried early on to get to know people (and still do through the occasional, and generally unanswered, PM or profile message), I gave that up pretty damn quick after realizing that people (as am I) are guarded about letting themselves be known, and either mostly don’t want to be troubled with making new acquaintances or are just happy with the friends they have or the clique they belong to. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just the way I see it.
Also, some of us have figured out that words posted on Teh InterTubes have the potential to follow us around like a bad smell for the rest of our lives if we aren't careful. Just one unique personal detail can link The Real You to everything else that you've posted under that name. Next thing you know some psycho that you pissed off in a forum shows up at your door with a nine-iron, or a potential employer googles your name and comes up with chakat pr0n.
