downwinder on 6/11/2024 at 01:08
let me know if i have the orders of thief universe right
precursors era = lore only
kathra-din era = lore only
pagan era = lore
dark project era
metal age era
deadly shadows era
3/6 eras are only lore and not playable
did i miss anything?
demagogue on 6/11/2024 at 03:08
I like how Thief 4's era isn't even on the list as lore, much less playable, as if it's not even in the same universe or timeline. XD
I think it's technically supposed to be, though.
Edit: I wouldn't protest it being left off though. It's a weird reboot that doesn't feel like it's in the same universe even if they do try to hint that it is.
The Concrete Age on 6/11/2024 at 04:49
I feel like the Kurshok should be somewhere instead of just a footnote of Pagan Era.
downwinder on 6/11/2024 at 06:37
i was thinking about the kershok but i figured since they were a woodsie lord thing i added them with pagan era
downwinder on 6/11/2024 at 06:41
and as far as thief 4, made me wanting to find out more after thief 4 and also a prequal to thief 1, probably kathra-din era would be best to fill in start of keepers/hammers/mages/etc
not sure we are ready for a precursor era game as seem we need more lore to make something that old make more sense
the reboot is not even in my list of thief games
downwinder on 6/11/2024 at 06:50
also alot of key items were in thief 4, compendium, jacknals paw, the chalice, and others i wont list as people can wiki them
also we got lore on hag/shalebridge = since were never got to experience shalebridge in thief 1, but it was on map and we exited toward it on one mission north east of city
and the entire zombie thing was massive lore for that time period, amazing lore on kershok = yes i freed that one in thief 3 in that tiny jail
why did thief 3 jail map = bonus map , was so small, and getting into the jail i found 2 ways from guards in city or just jump in water by the little boat and appear in jail
the tree beast in thief 3 was the most epic thing ever went in circle around that place you have to knife the guy for blood = man just realized how brutal that pagan were in thief 3
death of artamus was a bit to much for me to take
Azaran on 7/11/2024 at 15:09
I think Precursors and Karath Din can be merged into one
fortuni on 7/11/2024 at 19:01
Thief 4 is on sale at GoG at the moment for only £3 (UK price = 4 euros) so am going to get it and replay ;)
Personally I didn't have such an issue with it as others did, but I did find the city map horribly confusing and after a while I got bored of the game so never got to finish it, maybe this time?
downwinder on 8/11/2024 at 01:30
fortuni thief 4 does not exist, there was a thief reboot game, where jenever was a bird
maybe you meant thief 3?
that would be interesting to merge precursors with karath-din era, would need a lot of exploration in game with mass lore, sounds great to me
but then i think you would also have to have pagans/murlock era in it as well, so we can visualize woodsie lord and murlocks as a group before they stole the kershock crown = yeah i stole it back in thief 3 :P
Cigam on 10/11/2024 at 19:03
Quote Posted by demagogue
I like how Thief 4's era isn't even on the list as lore, much less playable, as if it's not even in the same universe or timeline. XD
I think it's technically supposed to be, though.
Edit: I wouldn't protest it being left off though. It's a weird reboot that doesn't feel like it's in the same universe even if they do try to hint that it is.
Thief2014 was never going to have the same feel as the originals. As a game it was completely redesigned from the ground up with new gameplay, systems, mechanics, movement, equipment etc. And in lore terms it is not even set in the same City or have the same characters.
It is set in a future time where, by now, the original City has been built over with a new City and the original characters are gone (although the ruins of places from the original games and plenty of historical references to the original game characters can be found).
I am one of the people who actually liked Thief 2014 (although I do not rate it anywhere near as highly as the originals) but I think it would have been quite a feat to give it the same world feel as the originals, given the departures.
If, in Thief 2014, you think of the original City as being now the equivalent of the Lost City in the original games, then it might be interesting to see a game set in the Lost City era (when, presumably, it would have also been known as just "The City"?) and see if it could be given a 'same world' feel. I suspect that too might be tricky, without at least copying a lot of the original game systems and mechanics etc.
