Convict on 26/4/2006 at 10:03
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic (so I may be way off) but wouldn't it be far better to prevent the next murder/rape instead of catching them afterwards? Also police are fairly inept at catching criminals (plus getting enough evidence in court to convict) I suspect so many offenders would get away with it (I suspect).
Myoldnamebroke on 26/4/2006 at 10:39
No, I suspect not. In this specific instance you could prevent the next victim being British because we've got legal recourse to ship them off to another country. But preventing crimes happening before they happen (are you seriously suggesting this?) is a matter for Tom Cruise and not normal police forces. Unless of course you mean addressing the source of a lot of crime by redressing the conditions that create it, but I suspect you don't :p
I wasn't being sarcastic, I was responding to the suggestion that because they're foreign they'll be impossible to track down, by pointing out that these are all convicted criminals who have been tracked down and caught before. I'm not sure how useful the sort of data that we'll be missing - employment records, NI information, that sort of thing - is useful when trying to find someone that's on the run anyway. How often are crimes solved because the rapist left his NI card on the scene and the police just pitch up at his workplace to find him sitting there (if it's often, then I cheerfully withdraw)? I can't imagine it's often tax data that identifies the criminal nor that which helps the police locate him.
mopgoblin on 26/4/2006 at 10:39
What exactly would you do to prevent the next murder or rape? These criminals had already served their sentences, apparently. If any of them are going to commit more crimes, sending them back to whatever country they came from would probably just mean it happens there instead of in the UK.
Gillie on 27/4/2006 at 15:49
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What exactly would you do to prevent the next murder or rape? These criminals had already served their sentences, apparently. If any of them are going to commit more crimes, sending them back to whatever country they came from would probably just mean it happens there instead of in the UK.
Would you like them in your Country?. I very much doubt it.
They came here for so called help. Then repaid the Country by Committing these crimes. Genuine Asylum seekers as I said before should be helped.
There are a lot of different issues here. This one of several has made the Government look a total laughing stock.
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"Nine thousand prisoners in custody are foreign nationals but only 1,000 recommendations for deportation are made each Year. The Government does not appear to know how many are actually deported." :erm:
Migration watch
January 2006
Myoldnamebroke on 27/4/2006 at 18:25
Well, if you'd wanted all 9000 to be deported in one year then you'd have to release them all at the same time :p
PS don't quote Migration Watch if you want people to take you seriously. It's only one or two notches up from quoting the BNP in support of your arguments.
TheGreatGodPan on 28/4/2006 at 01:50
Quote Posted by Paz
I'm a bit worried that Labour have stepped irreversibly into
THE TORY ZONE (as seen circa 1996, where an over-familiar government simply give up trying to do anything correctly and slip into a self-destructive nosedive of horror).
I would guess most politicians get overly comfortable after their first re-election. I think the last time G.W.B attempted to accomplish anything was that social security reform that went down in flames. Since then it's all ben ass-covering.
mopgoblin on 28/4/2006 at 04:58
Quote Posted by Gillie
Would you like them in your Country?. I very much doubt it.
No, but I wouldn't pretend there are particularly dire consequences if they aren't deported. What could they do in the UK that they couldn't do in their home countries, and what makes them different from other criminals that are released from prison?
