Gorgonseye on 29/4/2008 at 21:04
I still don't get it, which do we hate more, Americans or fat people?:confused:
SubJeff on 29/4/2008 at 21:04
I think Reservoir Dogs inspired the debate with my crew. And the guys who had been to the US confirmed that they were told that. It's been an issue recently in the UK because when people tip they often (in my case always) tip based on the service of the actual people serving them. And there are many places where it's expected to go in a "pot" for division later or, and this is worse, gets put back in the til thus not benefiting the waiters/waitresses.
Quote Posted by Gorgonseye
I still don't get it, which do we hate more, Americans or fat people?:confused:
lol
Ko0K on 29/4/2008 at 21:05
Tipping isn't really mandatory here, either, but nobody wants to be the only guy who doesn't tip. That's the sad thing about most Americans. We make it sound as though we value individuality, but in reality we are slaves to the 'norm.'
steo on 29/4/2008 at 21:10
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what's being discussed here then? how it's funny that they can throw you in prison and allow you to lose weight at a
potentially dangerous rate for 8 months all with no conviction?
See now this is where your argument falls to pieces. Any doctor will tell you that he is healthier now for losing 7 stone.
Stitch on 29/4/2008 at 21:18
Quote Posted by Ko0K
Tipping isn't really mandatory here, either, but nobody wants to be the only guy who doesn't tip. That's the sad thing about most Americans. We make it sound as though we value individuality, but in reality we are slaves to the 'norm.'
Bullshit. Tipping isn't mandatory from the standpoint that it isn't a law, but it most definitely is built into the system. Stiffing some waiter $2 isn't exactly a stance against against conformity.
SubJeff on 29/4/2008 at 21:50
This is one of those things I've never understood. Don't the employers have to pay minimum wage, and isn't minimum wage enough? When you say tipping is "built into the system" it sounds like these people rely on them just to get by.
heretic on 29/4/2008 at 21:56
I tip based on service. Mostly I end up tipping quite generously, though if service is not at least average I won't tip at all.
I've never had to wait tables, but it doesn't take much to figure out that it would be a very strenous job. I always shudder when I go to lunch with someone and they treat the wait staff like servants- being demanding and rude, and all the while the waiter is smiling while trying to take it in stride. There are other jobs that are unpleasant, but eating out is an occasion, tipping fits with the culture.
In short rude people suck, and I think it's safe to assume wait staff encounter more rude people in a day then many of us see in a month. For me, tipping is in recognition of that fact, and appreciation for their service.
On the other hand, I will never understand why some people tip despite horrible service. I've seen this a lot, and that falls more in line with the sort 'mandatory tipping' that I don't take part in.
AR Master on 29/4/2008 at 22:29
Fat jokes -> lol amerikkka -> GRR TIPPING DEBATE
this is probably how Fats there ended up in prison to begin with. this is what aggrivated blubbery gets you
Ko0K on 29/4/2008 at 22:32
Quote Posted by Stitch
Bullshit. Tipping isn't mandatory from the standpoint that it isn't a law, but it most definitely is built into the system. Stiffing some waiter $2 isn't exactly a stance against against conformity.
It's built into the system in such a way, that earning better tips would be an incentive to offer better service, yes. "Mandatory," however, implies that no options are left up to the discretion of the customer, which isn't the case. Now, who's bullshitting?
(edit) ...and thus I get back to the point I was trying to make in response to DJK's assertion that tipping is considered to be mandatory here. I guess what I was trying to do was get technical about the term "mandatory" in a convoluted way.
SithLord2001 on 29/4/2008 at 22:57
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
This is one of those things I've never understood. Don't the employers have to pay minimum wage, and isn't minimum wage enough? When you say tipping is "built into the system" it sounds like these people rely on them just to get by.
Well as far as the laws go for Minimum wages and tips it goes by State, some have a minimum wage that hey have to pay flat out, some have a lower mimimum wage for those whos jobs have tips. it's kind of confusing, but maybe (
http://www.dol.gov/esa/programs/whd/state/tipped.htm#NewYork) This will help explain it. Personally I just tip on the quality of service. I have only not tipped like twice, but that was because if I ever saw the waiter or waitress outside of that job, I'd be tempted to hurt them.
