N'Al on 30/10/2013 at 13:26
No it would not.
legoman on 30/10/2013 at 13:45
Awww, if one can't discuss the various merits of specific approaches enabling the dispatch of those of a vampiric persuasion, a conversation derived upon the reflection of endorsing slavery to uphold democracy (oh the contradiction), on Halloween. When can one have such a discussion?
faetal on 30/10/2013 at 13:50
"Actually, I'm rather fond of looking at crosses" - worst line in any film ever.
Queue on 30/10/2013 at 14:15
That is what happens when you let a woman write.
Gryzemuis on 30/10/2013 at 14:28
Is that how democracy works in the US ?
I thought this is how it works.
1) There are elections.
2) Some politicians participate.
3) Each of them publishes a program. Or their party publishes a program.
4) The program states what the politician(s) plan to do. What new laws they want to introduce. What their economical views and ethical views are. Etc.
5) Voters read those programs. Voters decide which politician (or party) represents their votes best.
6) Politicians get elected.
7) Politicians in office execute the plans they have announced in their program before the election.
How does a politician in the US know what his voters want, after the election ? Do they have continuous polls ? Do they act upon the few letters and emails they receive ? Do they act upon what they read in the papers or see on TV ? How do they know what their voters want ?
I thought it was the opposite around. There are plans first. Then the voters vote for the plans. Because of elections, you know which plans voters liked best.
So in the US, voters vote for a guy (or woman) because he has a pretty face ? Or because he's yelled the loudest that he is a god-fearing man ? Or just because his face was on TV a lot ? And then after the pretty guy got in office, the pretty guy is gonna try to find out what his voters want ? Weird country.
Queue on 30/10/2013 at 14:34
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
So in the US, voters vote for a guy (or woman) because he has a pretty face ? Or because he's yelled the loudest that he is a god-fearing man ? Or just because his face was on TV a lot ? And then after the pretty guy got in office, the pretty guy is gonna try to find out what his voters want ?
You forgot: 'Great hair', 'Person I'd like to have a beer with most', and 'He's just as dumb as me'. Otherwise, yes.
... I'm moving to the Netherlands where there is some sanity. I'm RELATED TO THE QUEEN, DAMMIT... that should help me get a visa, shouldn't it?
Pyrian on 30/10/2013 at 15:24
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
7) Politicians in office execute the plans they have announced in their program before the election.
This part doesn't seem to happen so much.
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Do they have continuous polls ? Do they act upon the few letters and emails they receive ? Do they act upon what they read in the papers or see on TV ? How do they know what their voters want ?
All of this
does happen, to an extent. But it's the lobbyists they'll be listening to most closely. They're generally much more worried about where their funding is coming from, than who's going to vote for them. And the lobbyists, they'll always there, always pushing their views.
Gryzemuis on 30/10/2013 at 15:49
So Jim Wheeler should have said: "yeah I would ”vote for slavery” if that's what my lobbyists wanted". And then he'd be correct ?
faetal on 30/10/2013 at 16:11
The UK system is pretty awesome. The politicians all say what they want to do with the country and constituency you're in. Then people just vote for whoever had the best sound-bites and ultimately, whoever the Sun newspaper reserved all of their positive alliterative headlines for. Whoever wins uses a percentage of their election funding to craft a 400 metre tall styrofoam hand with extended middle finger, so that a team of interns can wave it vigorously in the direction of anyone asking what happened to the manifesto pledges. 99% of people in the UK get a little poorer again. Rinse, repeat.
Gryzemuis on 30/10/2013 at 16:24
We can joke about politicians all we want. And we'd probably be right.
But the weird thing here is: this politician seriously thinks he needs to determine his point of view *after* he got elected. While I always thought that views and plans were set before the elections. That's a big difference. Jim Wheeler really seems to think he got in because he has great hair. (He's bald, btw).
Queue, regarding the monarchy, I am a firm believer in a republic. Imho we don't need more relatives of that scumsucking, blooddrinking bunch of imbeciles and freeloaders that rules our country. Also, you should come on a 3-month vacation visum to see for yourself if our country has some sense. I bet you will be disappointed.
