hayaku on 10/3/2005 at 04:59
take a hold people!!! I wasn't categorizing ALL camecube players as children, and what I said WAS NOT an insult to gamecube gamers.
However it is indisputable fact that gamecube's domain is the younger end of the market. Think about it.... *somebody* has to fill that niche. Can you name a console that better caters to that area??
Jesus..... what a bunch of hot heads you all are. I'm sure anyone can have fun on a gamecube, and I'm sure the games are great. I was just saying that they are pushed to the younger market... this is the opinion of the game industry as a whole, not just me. Ok, so I happen to enjoy lego quite alot, but would I get pissed off if somebody said it was primarily a childs toy? I take no shame whatsoever in deriving huge pleasure out of it.
As for GTA and San Andreas.... these are some of the best games to be released to date, don’t give them flack.
And I restate my original opinion, that gamecube games, as good as they might be, shy away from mature themes and audiences out of habbit. This is changing with time, however..... although there still remains a quite large list of games that nintendo have rejected porting specifically becasue they were worried about the games impact on their image and dynamic.
Myoldnamebroke on 10/3/2005 at 11:10
I wasn't insulting other platforms - I own all 4 (go go Dreamcast! ;)) of the current crop - or GTA. Neither was I being hotheaded. Also, 'you all' is just me :D
However, I do think that the industry in general has a very poor idea of what constitutes a 'mature theme or audience'. This is particularly reflected on the marketing side of things, hence the general (misguided) impression that the Gamecube is for children.
hayaku on 10/3/2005 at 13:08
misguided it might be, alas it may still be enough for a morrowind port to be rejected.
this was all i was really trying to say...
But I agree with you, regarding industry misconception. Here in Australia, there is no R classification for games, simply because some of the more conservative people in government are unable to see video games as anything more than "children’s toys" and find the idea of an R rated game very much distasteful. This is despite the average age of an Australian video game player to be around 24.
but yeah, you don’t even need to look at today to see maturity in games... some of the old SNES classics like shadowrun, chronotrigger and final fantasy have enough maturity in them to be enjoyed by adult gamers to this day. Although that said, back in those days the only way you could get away with something like that is by dressing and marketing it as a kids game anyway, and just hoping that older people might catch on.
Which brings me to morrowind..... I get the feeling that unless Nintendo are convinced that enough younger players will go for it, it is likely that it will be passed over.
loony on 10/3/2005 at 13:50
I dont think mature subject matter is why Morrowind didn't make it to GC. I'm willing to bet Microsoft made a deal to keep the others out.
Just as a counter example to the claim Nintendo is all about the children, I'd like to point out that Resident Evil 4 is ONLY out on GC. Having played it I can tell you it's a notch or two higher in the mature category than Morrowind (talking subject matter now).
I don't disagree that a lot of the core Nintendo games are cute and cuddly and offer funny cartoonish lead characters. I'm just saying in this particular case that Morrowind never came out on GC probably because Microsoft made a deal. Otherwise it's just easier to port to XBox and not as easy to port to PS2 or GC or something like that.
Ok, its fair to say I have no idea why, but I'd bet my Necromancy Bow that it's not because Nintendo saw it and said "Nah, it's too geared toward adults and our little kiddies won't buy it!" ;)
And to answer another question, I'm pretty sure when that GameStop magazine did an article on Oblivion they mentioned both the X2 and PS3, as well as PC. And they also said all the pics were taken using the developers version of the X2 (basically just a PC with the same specs as the X2 will have).
Eitherway, I'll buy a new PC system if I have to just to play Oblivion as it's meant to be played :) Plus you know the Mods and Expansion packs will come, which will leave the console versions in the dust like they did to the Xbox version.
Just my 2 cents.
Loony
hayaku on 10/3/2005 at 15:15
we are talking about oblivion here..... there is no question why ESIII morrowind didnt come out on gamecube or PS2, and thats simply becasue THEY WOULD NOT RUN IT! To clarrify my previous statment though, I was saying that the dynamics are mismatched and how that could affect an oblivion release.
X-box is by far the most powerfull console* out there, and to be frank im surprised even that can run it. When you have a PC with a 2.8ghz processor, a Radeon 9800XT and 1024mb of ram, and you STILL only get 15fps playing the game.... its a wonder they got it working at all on any console full stop.
As for the main topic though, oblivion on the consoles, I suppose we will have to wait and see how they shape up. So far, Sony's PS3 is looking frighfully powerfull with its cell chip, so if anything will run it I think that will.
* heh, well.... it has a controller port..... and no keybord. Lets leave it at that :D
RyushiBlade on 10/3/2005 at 22:13
Psh... I'm still mad that Myoldnamebroke insulted and stereotyped ME! Of all people!
Heh. It's all in fun. There aren't any hot-heads here!
I bought a new videocard a few months ago, a Radeon 9600 Pro. I have no doubt in my mind that spectacular graphics and stunning visuals never before seen on a PC will completely fail to be rendered by my card. Though for what it's worth, it can handle anything I throw at it right now, and it only cost me some $120.
skammunist on 22/3/2005 at 22:03
gamecube keeps saying theyll shoot for more mature audiences as well, but then they just come out with games that use bongo-drum kalidescope controllers. also their games are mostly all similar and feature the same characters, and i feel that theyre running out of ideas. (Mario: Golf Kart Tennis Party 8!) if this doesnt arouse some "nintendo hot-heads" into yelling at me, i dont what will.
Painkiller on 19/4/2005 at 19:45
I was planning on buying it for the successor to the Xbox, since I played Morrowind/Tribunal/Bloodmoon on the XBox, but then I found out how much I missed by not playing it on the pc.
All those fan made expansions/quests/mods. DAMN!!!!!
Too bad my pc was too weak to play Morrowind but, I'm going to remedy that for Oblivion.
From how incredible it's sounding, I want to extend the gamelife for as long as possible, and that means buying it for the pc.
Even if XboxNext, or Xbox 2...whatever, has downloadble content, the possibility of it being fan made content, is very low.
Only 1 game, that hasn't even been released yet, is going to do this: Pariah.
I'll be playing Oblivion on my next pc.
RyushiBlade on 19/4/2005 at 20:19
I hope I don't get sued or hunted down when I say this, but! My father had a meeting with a representative from Microsoft and found out that the X-Box 2 will be released... This summer! Erm. 'Allegedly.' (Ha! Try suing me now..) Which means Oblivion will probably be released later this year, fall or winter. Possibly.
That's just what I heard.
Also, I found a pretty good computer only for about $900 (minus a good graphics card.) I'm planning on working through the summer to buy that and then put my current videocard in it, until atleast I have enough to buy a newer card. A good one. Should run me about $400. Rawr.
Pisces on 19/4/2005 at 23:53
Quote Posted by RyushiBlade
Which means Oblivion will probably be released later this year, fall or winter. Possibly.
Well didn't they say they were aiming for that period when they first announced they were making oblivion?
