Cardia on 15/5/2017 at 06:52

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John what i asked is: are we allowed to use objects from games that are older than 10 years? Is it legal? I think it is.

Don't take me wrong john but if we´re going to stick only for modified Thief 2 objects then there isn't much new to see in the future.

Yes its true we have talented artists, but there's always a specific missing object that can be useful for any author.

There's nothing wrong in having a good variety of objects, unless you want authors to use as much possible your objects to justify the work you had creating them and to bring out your name to the credits list, or because the idea of having your name among so many other authrs in a huge name list will not stand you. sorry i´m not claiming all this, just supposing.

Honestly as a player before working on dromed when playing a mission i never cared reading the credits list...never, unless there would be an interesting music i would check the credits list but for the rest no, even now as author i don't read carefully the credits list of a mission, unless while playing the mission i spot something interesting i want to use. I´m sure there are many players out there who won't bother themselves to read carefully the credits list.

Like in the movie when it reach the credits i leave the cinema, or otherwise i shut the movie, most of the people are not going to spend 10 minutes watching a credit list rolling up with some crappy cheap songs.

so when you say "no" you might forget that there are authors that wanted these objects, and someone of them said they found the objects i hosted useful. you should think about only your interests, altruism is something one should practice.

because as far as i´m concerned i'm served, but i would like to share with other authors what i have. As i do like when you authors share some of your productions.

Cardia on 15/5/2017 at 11:43

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Russ, read above i said i would only host objects credited.

LarryG on 15/5/2017 at 13:56

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Let us go back to what R Soul posted as the terms of use for the Object Repository site, rather than go down the rabbit hole of copyright law:

[INDENT]Object/AI uploads are welcome under the following conditions:

1) You have permission to upload them.
2) You say who made them.

If you have any trouble with those conditions, feel free to discuss it on TTLG or with any other Thief fan group.[/INDENT]

So, if you can't say "Absolutely, yes!" as the answer to either one of those conditions, then don't upload the objects to the Object Repository. The Object Repository doesn't want any objects of questionable origins. Just don't do it.

Please note that for somebody else's work that you downloaded from some website, unless that website says you can upload the objects to other websites, you can't. The right to upload other people's work is always assumed to be withheld unless explicitly granted. Even if they give you the right to use the object for personal and non-commercial use, unless they say you can also upload, you can't.

Maybe it would be better if the Object Repository had a webpage for links to other object source sites. That way objects which are allowed to be downloaded for personal, non-commercial use on those sites, but not uploaded, can still be found through the Object Repository. Maybe a statement on the top of that page of links to remind folk to obey the rules of those sites when downloading.



To answer this last most directly, my suggestion is that if people want to use some of the objects that you have found, send them the links to the sites where they can legally download them. Ethical behavior is also something that one should practice. I believe that it is unethical to not obey the wishes of the artist who created the object. Just because someone else wants a copy of what you have downloaded doesn't mean that you have the right to give it to them directly.

Cardia on 15/5/2017 at 15:50

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Larry G , this i know: Object/AI uploads are welcome under the following conditions:

1) You have permission to upload them.
2) You say who made them.

But even still Rsoul seems to be waiting your opinions even if i am allowed by the author to host it anywhere, even if the object in question is properly credit, but even like this is still a problem for some people.

Squadarofl wants only objects design for dromed, but what he doesn´t know is that some objects that were made for dromed are modifications of other objects already made , i´m not going to make accusations here, and i´m not talking about those thief 2 objects modifications.

John wants objects only made by taffers of our communinty.

others will want only objects that fits into thief world.

others don't give a damn about any custom object because they don't use custom material in their missions, they'll stick for what dromed offers and it will continue for them like that for the next 30 years.

others don't want objects from games even if it is legal to use them.

Jesus Christ! so many issues just to use a pin or a nail.

i need to relax, i´m going to drink a french beer.

gamophyte on 15/5/2017 at 16:30

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The rules per the repository website are super concrete without any other interpretations;
1. You should have express permission, period.
2. You should credit original creator, who gave said permission.

Old games are a hot and current industry, automatic no for COMMERCIAL RESOURCES, unless the object artist, who holds rights to his own objects (super rare) says you can use it. This is not a matter of philosophy, opinion, or emotions. You are not the only one who feels this way, you aren't being singled out. We just have to follow law and respect the wishes of creators despite ourselves.

Let me know, I can make many objects, so can others, just ask; I can whip up a traffic cone in 3 minutes. I can make just about make any boxy object from Duke Nukem like games.