Starrfall on 28/6/2009 at 22:17
Quote Posted by Thief13x
I would guess no since it could end his career.
Hahaha you don't know much about california do you?
Every pot smoker I know would rather it be legalized so they don't have to deal with any hassle from the cops. They don't care about taxes because if they don't want to pay them they won't, just like they're not paying them now. They have no plans to suddenly follow every single law as soon as pot is legalized.
Thief13x on 28/6/2009 at 23:10
I'm not sure how much of a black market there will be for pot if you can walk to the local gas station and buy it. It's not like cigarettes or even alcohol have a black market now just because they're taxed ridiculously. I'm not sure, just speculation. All I know is what I've been told by pot smokers since I was about 14. Maybe it's diff in California? who knows. Or maybe ya'll are just stoned out there;)
kamyk on 28/6/2009 at 23:26
I try to avoid Commchat, but I have something to say in this thread.
Regarding marijuana legalization, I was a pot smoker for 14 years (before quitting freely, cold turkey, because of cost), and not one pot smoker I met in 14 years was against it's being legalized. It's the dealers, the religious right, the misinformed, and the politicians getting a cut who don't want it legalized.
Regarding smoking tobacco, yes I smoke, and yes I'm sure my lungs are mobile tar pits. But you know what? They are MY lungs. I smoke mainly in my own home, and if I smoke out in public around non-smokers, I smoke 10-20 feet from everyone else and downwind. Even around friends who don't care I still smoke downwind. If my favorite bar is smoker friendly, why do they have to dissallow smoking because some non-smoker with 30 or 40 OTHER bar choices decides they want to come to mine?
Talk about addictions, let's try caffeine. Anyone not know someone who drinks Diet coke, or some other cola on a regular basis? Anyone not know at least one pot or more a day coffee drinker? Did you know (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffine#Overuse) Caffeine overuse can lead to serious physical and psychological problems? But what the hell, let's encourage the kids to drink Jolt cola, and Red Bull. Why? Caffeine increases the amount of time a person is awake, thus increasing the amount of time you can push them to be productive (nevermind that it has been proven that (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation) sleep deprivation actually lowers productivity, and causes all kinds of health concerns too).
Anyone gonna go ape shit on the abuse of caffeine anytime soon? I doubt that very much. It is curious why some people can't just leave another person's addiction alone.
Light one up for me Dia :thumb:, I'm out of cigs till tomorrow.
SubJeff on 28/6/2009 at 23:45
You're not seriously comparing the population effects of caffeine in drinks to the health issues brought about by, errr, well any other drug are you?
kamyk on 28/6/2009 at 23:48
Not secondhand no. I'm just wondering why one man's addiction is another man's soapbox. And I find it ridiculous that one addiction is endorsed, and encouraged, while another is frowned upon.
Regarding firsthand, did you read that caffeine abuse can cause heart palpitations? My sister was addicted to diet coke, and when she quit, she had to be hospitalized for heart palpitations. So no, it's not just vague figures.
SubJeff on 28/6/2009 at 23:57
Yes, I know all about the potential harmful effects of the common drugs of abuse. Caffeine really is a minor offender.
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I'm just wondering why one man's addiction is another man's soapbox.
Its not. Smoking is pretty harmful and can affect people who haven't chosen to take it to a greater extent than any other drug bar alcohol and drink driving. And its pretty easy to stop this happening thus the smoking laws in many countries.
One could also argue that the reason for smoking is only smoking, whereas every other drug has an effect other than just satisfying a craving (though opiate based drugs end up being just like smoking if you use them long enough) and therefore its of no benefit to anyone. At least with alcohol or pot people want the actual effect of the drug.
kamyk on 29/6/2009 at 00:03
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Yes, I know all about the potential harmful effects of the common drugs of abuse. Caffeine really is a minor offender.
Tell that to my sister.
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One could also argue that the reason for smoking is only smoking, whereas every other drug has an effect other than just satisfying a craving (though opiate based drugs end up being just like smoking if you use them long enough) and therefore its of no benefit to anyone. At least with alcohol or pot people want the actual effect of the drug.
Actually:(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_smoking) The resulting vapors are then inhaled and the active substances absorbed through the alveoli in the lungs.[9] The active substances trigger chemical reactions in nerve endings which hightens heart rate, memory, alertness,[10] and reaction time.[11] Dopamine and later endorphins are released, which are often associated with reward and pleasure.
But, no I am not arguing that secondhand smoke isn't a problem. I do agree with that, and I will even agree that very probably "most" smokers are nowhere near as concientious about it as I am. However, I still want to know why that means my favorite bar has to be a forced non-smoking environment, when there are already dozens of other non-smoking ones.
I also think you missed my point with caffeine. This ban on flavored cigarettes is "supposedly" because they "target" kids. I was trying to point out that one could argue such about a lot of caffinated products. (Btw, just for the record I drink coffee).
SubJeff on 29/6/2009 at 00:27
Quote Posted by kamyk
Tell that to my sister.
I'm talking about the population effects. This is like telling us that peanuts are deadly because
some people have fatal allergic reactions. Anything in excess or in susceptible people is bad.
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Actually:blah blah blah
Yes, yes but its all fairly minor. You don't really notice it and the overwhelming issue is crabbiness and poor concentration if you don't get your fix. I used to work in research into the behavioural pharmacology of nicotine so I know a little bit about its cognitive and reward effects. Its just nice to have a cigarette but its the having that is nice, not the after effect, not the anything else. It doesn't confer any beneficial effects through stimulation that can really be put to use, sadly.
Lot of things target kids but they don't all encourage them to take up an unhealthy habit. Not that I'm saying that flavoured cigs do target kids, just than anything the was targetted at getting kids to smoke would be a bad, bad thing.
AR Master on 29/6/2009 at 00:32
smoking is for women and gays since its essentially sucking on a surrogate penis. drugs are for manchildren and other people to whom reality is scary and mean.
tl;dr: dont be a pussy be a man
unless youre a woman
kamyk on 29/6/2009 at 00:34
I'll be sure to tell that to the next biker I see smoking.
Anyway. I've spoken my mind about the thread topic, and that's all I really came in here to do.
