BEAR on 7/5/2008 at 02:41
Both Hillary and Obama get a different set of independents, but I believe that Obama has a better chance of beating McCain.
The Democrats seem divided, but very few voters are actually that divided. I would (like nearly all core democrats) vote for either candidate. I feel that Obama is the right one for the job of beating McCain.
The people that Obama inspires include many who have been cynical about politics for a long time, I can see many of them being disillusioned should he loose the nomination by some superdelegate shenanigans, and possibly not vote at all.
Basically, very very few core democrats will not vote or vote McCain should their democratic candidate not win the primary. Its not as divided as it seems and I think that Obama brings to the table more fringe voters than Hillary.
Americans are so horribly sick of the current policies (Bush was at 22% approval rating in april iirc), and McCain is endorsed by Bush. I have to feel like we're going to win this one bar any voting "irregularities".
BEAR on 7/5/2008 at 02:46
Quote Posted by Peanuckle
McCain will win because he's really good at balancing both parties. It pisses off the more extreme ends, but the majority of Americans are moderate so I think he'll come out in the lead.
Then he'll suffer a heart attack from the stress and his VP will take over.
Dick Cheney 4 more years! :D
There is a lot of bullshit going around in this thread. I'm glad you've weighed all the variables to the point where you can make such a clear statement and back it up with "because he's really good at balancing both parties". What does that even mean? He's having to take a much more conservative position on many things to get a hold on the republican base, something which pulls him away from the few possible democrats who've liked him in the past.
McCain brings very little new to the table and new is what people want. He is guaranteed to get a good portion of the vote just because there are enough people in this country who would never vote for a woman or a black man, but I don't see him drawing huge crowds.
Stitch on 7/5/2008 at 03:29
OBAMA FUCK YES
Ko0K on 7/5/2008 at 04:04
Well, I for one think that it's heart-breaking that a creature and faithful friend to man suffered and died while entertaining a bunch of greedy gamblers who fancy themselves 'sports fans.' I hope she didn't suffer too long before she was put to sleep. This should've been a separate subject from politics, in my opinion, but whatever.
icemann on 7/5/2008 at 13:21
Quote Posted by Tumbleweed
I'm concerned that after all this Democrat bickering compared to McCain's no challenge nomination that the US election has lost the Fuck You Long Term Incumbent Landslide. The very thing that swept Rudd into power in Australia.
Work choices and their stand on climate change (that it would be too costly to do anything about it) is what lost the election for them. Work choices MUCH more so.
PigLick on 7/5/2008 at 13:49
also ugly little beady eyed man
Ghostly Apparition on 8/5/2008 at 03:07
Quote Posted by BEAR
Basically, very very few core democrats will not vote or vote McCain should their democratic candidate not win the primary. Its not as divided as it seems and I think that Obama brings to the table more fringe voters than Hillary.
Americans are so horribly sick of the current policies (Bush was at 22% approval rating in april iirc), and McCain is endorsed by Bush. I have to feel like we're going to win this one bar any voting "irregularities".
As far as voting irregularities, the republicans have only got away with that because the vote was so close in the last elections.
By most accounts, in this years democratic primaries turnout has been extraordinary. In the north Carolina primary there were more democrat voters then in either of the last two general elections. If that trend continues and the democrat can get their message out without right wing spin from the corporate media. It should be a no brainer for the democrats this time. People are sick of Bush and Bush's policies, on the war, and especially on the economy.
In fact if you listen to the main stream media, they will tell you the election is close poll number wise. I don't believe thats the case at all. But time will tell.
edit: Interesting to note that approximately 23% of republicans in the latest primaries didn't even vote for McCain. Voting instead for Romney and Huckabee. I wouldn't be surprised to see a sizable number of Republicans voting for the Democrat this time around. After all they are suffering with the Economic slowdown and high gas prices along with the rest of the country.
Aerothorn on 8/5/2008 at 13:09
Interesting article, but who said Clinton wanted to be a Supreme Court justice?
But yeah, she knows she's done for. Either she has a specific plan, or she's just hoping that something absolutely horrible happens to Obama before the convention.
