Ghostly Apparition on 15/6/2008 at 21:05
Quote Posted by heretic
Does this horribly written and amateurish oped somehow change the fact that we've covered this allready? (
several posts ago you entered the same quote)
Did you bother to read the comments after the article, including the authors response to said comments BTW?
Do you have anything to add to the discussion or are we just trading reading material at this point?
I was responding to your opinion that there isn't much difference between the 2 parties (democrats and republicans).
The first paragraph summed up the difference between them quite succinctly I thought. Your opinion (and thats what it is) of the professionalism or amateurishness of the author doesn't do much to change the fact that his points were truth and fact and can be checked if you would bother to do so. Instead of just spouting off that the 2 parties are the same as if that was accepted fact. Which it is not.
thefonz on 15/6/2008 at 21:27
Hey did anyone read the article in the latest Economist about how each candidate are viewed by Europe?
We Europeans dig the Obama apparently...
Ladron De La Noche on 16/6/2008 at 01:11
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http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=260) http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=260
Long read, 24 countries in all. Check middle section of report for preferred candidate.
Took awhile to find this report. grrrr!
Now why was Tanzania polled and not Canada? hmm...
Epos Nix on 16/6/2008 at 01:43
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In more recent years, "black and brown folks" have never enjoyed a more prosperous and free life than they have enjoyed in this very country, including their given nation of origin for most.
Wow... quite the blanket statement there.
You've never witnessed inner-city life, have you? Something tells me "prosperous" and "free" are not how many people in these areas would describe themselves. :nono:
heretic on 16/6/2008 at 01:53
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
Wow... quite the blanket statement there.
You've never witnessed inner-city life, have you? Something tells me "prosperous" and "free" are not how many people in these areas would describe themselves. :nono:
Does a few years in Oakland count?
-So black and brown folks only live in the inner city?
"Wow... quite the blanket statement there.":p
Epos Nix on 16/6/2008 at 02:27
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-So black and brown folks only live in the inner city?
"Wow... quite the blanket statement there."
This doesn't help defend an obviously short-sighted "observation", sorry.
Here's a hint: Liberties granted by a government do not necessarily equate "freedom" or "prosperity". A man shackled by his own
perceived repression is not free.
Read elkston's posts again till you understand.
Scots Taffer on 16/6/2008 at 02:41
So elkston is Carlton?
heretic on 16/6/2008 at 02:44
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
This doesn't help defend an obviously short-sighted "observation", sorry.
Here's a hint: Liberties granted by a government do not necessarily equate "freedom" or "prosperity". A man shackled by his own
perceived repression is not free.
Read elkston's posts again till you understand.
None of us are truly free at the end of the day anymore, but that is besides the point and a whole separate issue.
Honestly, it's you who doesn't understand. Maybe my post wasn't clear enough for you or something, but your off on the wrong tangent regardless.
The fact that
anyone of
any backround can accomplish whatever they are willing to work hard enough for clearly doesn't guarantee success for all, but that doesn't make the real opportunity of thriving (which is available to all) any less precious.
There are reasons why folks still fight tooth and nail to get here you know, regardless of how unpopular our nation has become.
Epos Nix on 16/6/2008 at 03:36
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Honestly, it's you who doesn't understand. Maybe my post wasn't clear enough for you or something, but your off on the wrong tangent regardless.
Wrong tangent? I'm just disagreeing with whatever delusional definition of prosperity you subscribe to. And especially with you ascribing that prosperity on the majority of the black community, saying they've NEVER had it as good anywhere else as they do here and now.
Now, there is the argument to be made that the black community has the
potential to have it as good as they ever have had it, but as elkston pointed out, apathy and self doubt, combined with any number of social restrictions, have severely limited this potential. So there is a massive gap between the prosperity they could have and the reality of the situation.
And the reality of the situation is obviously what's eluding you.
heretic on 16/6/2008 at 04:11
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
And the reality of the situation is obviously what's eluding you.
Ok, I'll give explaining this to you one more shot. If you still wish to attach some meaning that I never intended to my earlier comment then so be it.
Given the present realities, just where else do the individuals in question either have it any better, or at least have a real chance to
make it better? This country has made numerous efforts towards correcting the mistakes of the past. Are things perfect yet? Nope, but that doesn't negate the real progress we've made.
To answer these questions is to understand what I meant, hence the
"more prosperous and free life than they have enjoyed elsewhere" -or here in the past. I never made the claim that everything was now perfect for all, only
far better for most given the realities of life, past and present.
The fact that opportunities now exist where they didn't in the past, (and still don't in much of the world) is all I was getting at, and whether or not everyone is able to realize that opportunity is a separate issue.
This really shouldn't be that hard to understand, really.
