Scots Taffer on 6/5/2008 at 01:13
It's already written in the cards.
Don't believe me?
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/hillarys-horse.html) Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
For the tl;dr -
Hillary chose a female horse to win the Kentucky Derby, it broke its legs coming in second and had to be euthanized on the track. A fitting metaphor.
However the real winner of the tale is Obama, as
his horse, Big Brown, won the race!Rogue Keeper on 6/5/2008 at 07:15
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
Hillary chose a female horse to win the Kentucky Derby, it broke its legs coming in second and had to be euthanized on the track. A fitting metaphor.
Poor horse.
I had sympathies for Hillary in the past, but I lost them during campaign when she adopted quite more militant speech. Having an aura of a compassionate, socially progressive woman and then hitting it with "Listen to me people of Iran, you dare to attack our buddy Israel and I SWEAR I WILL FLATLINE YOUR LAND!" What a load of populist crap, lame attempt of machism to get attention of at least 0.something percent of militant patriots.
As for Obama, I'm ambivalent. Still, it would be a step forward for the US to finally have a black president. As for his competence, that's open...
The primaries are pretty disgusting in the aspect that candidates of the same party are throwing dung at each other for individual gain of sympathies of the masses. Fine, everyone is entitled to his own concepts, but where is the partisan ideological unity and solidarity? Such attacks should be spared for opposition party candidates. Pathetic.
Edit : Now I read that Iran has definitely removed dollar from his oil market. That's a good reason to flatline them, don't you think?
rachel on 6/5/2008 at 08:43
McCain will win.
Not a preference, just an observation.
Muzman on 6/5/2008 at 09:13
I'm kinda a Hillary fan, if only because a former law whiz kid on the Nixon impeachment team becoming the first female president (replacing the exemplar of the kind of cronyism and "conservative" politics that Nixon helped establish) is totally delicious. But I guess a lot of her more populist statements over the years haven't really made her seem too nice (not a fan of some of them myself). I hold to some baseless belief that the real Hillary is in there somewhere and electing her wouldn't hurt a bit. Obama seems cool though.
But since this unprecedented coverage of the democratic primary we've had down here really makes US politics seem like a nighmarish morass of stupidity and makes me happy as fuck that the parties decide their candidates here. The horror of having to watch the endless campaigning for months and months and months Aye Yie Yiee. And the shit people talk about it. So much attention paid to how much money the candidates have left, how much "gas in the tank". Holy crap. Of course they can't run out, they have to take the campaign wagon off road and secure all those votes far from roads and electricity, and that's expensive!; it's really the Grizzly Adams vote that's going to decide this contest Jim. When people start evaluating the meta game rather than canditates policies and ability to represent them your democracy is pretty much fucked (don't worry it's the same all over, I'm just saying). Pretty soon we'll actually hear vox pops with some person "What really swung it for me was that I knew Hillary had to slash her balloon and nature strip sign budget and couldn't license the right songs for the rally. I could look up her policies any time I wanted but really it doesn't recommend her as a candidate if she couldn't properly plaster my town with shit like Obama did. And the song was like, Matchbox 20, from their first album. Ew."
Oh...uh Horse race, very amusing. Carry on.
Scots Taffer on 6/5/2008 at 10:03
I pretty much knew this would devolve into a political bitchfest, but at least there hasn't been one of those in a while Muz.
And speaking as a complete outsider and relative newbie to the world of American politics, I think Hillary as President is quite possibly the worst thing that could happen to America in its current state.
Muzman on 6/5/2008 at 10:19
I've had a sort of nebulous rant building up on the state of political debate and the unnervingly comprehensive coverage of the Dems primary in the Aus press for a while, just waiting for a lightning rod. It's less 200mil volts of raw power and more brain fart, but whatareyougonnado.
(Surely Hillary couldn't be worse than any number of third party whackos that circle this thing. I'm really not up to date and don't have particularly strong views. I merely remark on the poetry of Hillary getting in, provided she reverts to her old progressive self.)
Rogue Keeper on 6/5/2008 at 10:24
Quote Posted by raph
McCain will win.
See, that's not impossible. There are still enough people who are convinced that the only cure for current social and economical nausea caused by neoconservatism is paleoconservatism (but then, Ron Paul, the really promising paleo star has faded, so who knows).
rachel on 6/5/2008 at 10:41
I base myself on the French election. The crowds are different of course but there's a basic fact common to both: one side shows a strong, focused leader, and the other one is plagued with internal dissensions and bickering.
Guess who won over here?
I'm not saying it's the same situation, but watching the US from abroad I get this whole feeling of déjà-vu and if the Dems don't get a grip fast they're gonna lose. And then they'll genuinely wonder why.
Scots Taffer on 6/5/2008 at 10:46
My main worry is that even if Obama wins the democratic race, they are so bitterly divided as a party in the aftermath that it will probably work against either candidate - especially with the political mudslinging having gotten so personal over the past few months.
That said, I know relatively little about McCain but always worry that a continuing incumbent party will only make the same mistakes as before.
Rogue Keeper on 6/5/2008 at 11:29
Quote Posted by raph
Guess who won over here?
I modestly confess that your president and me share few percent of the same bloodline (my grand-grandma from mother's side belonged to impoverished branch of Hungarian Sarkozy clan), though I don't know if that should prevent me from frowning upon Mr. Sarkozy's political opinons.
Still, thumbs up for your first lady's (earlier) body. :thumb:
