Azaran on 25/8/2025 at 17:35
The old "the world must shut down until our cause prevails"
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"They also demanded Mayor Mark Sutcliffe and other elected officials apologize for the 2024 boycott of Capital Pride and called on them to "stand with us and
all selected groups of oppressed peoples, including Palestinians."
Fixed
Nicker on 26/8/2025 at 14:14
I understand that you had to hugely oversimplify the situation so that you could understand it and spin it for the usual suspects. Removing nuance is a good first step for reducing complex issues for easy consumption.
But kudos for posting the source article. You should go back and read it.
Aja on 26/8/2025 at 15:20
I dunno, to me this kind of smacks of the left cutting off its nose to spite its face. We can't ever seem to make progress when we're too busy infighting and trying to cancel each other for not passing ideological purity tests. Focus on class solidarity and labour rights and maybe we could actually get somewhere instead of continuously losing to conservatives with increasingly deranged platforms.
SD on 27/8/2025 at 03:05
Quote Posted by Nicker
I understand that you had to hugely oversimplify the situation so that you could understand it and spin it for the usual suspects. Removing nuance is a good first step for reducing complex issues for easy consumption.
But kudos for posting the source article. You should go back and read it.
I truly believe there's a first time for everything, so please feel free to actually address the argument rather than unleashing a torrent of abuse.
Nicker on 27/8/2025 at 05:29
Quote Posted by SD
I truly believe there's a first time for everything, so please feel free to actually address the argument rather than unleashing a torrent of abuse.
What argument did you make? You trolled and got and got rolled for your BS.
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I dunno, to me this kind of smacks of the left cutting off its nose to spite its face.
To me it looks like lefties trying to address everyone's concerns, attempting to correct abuse and neglect from the right, while the right lights more fires, points fingers at everyone except themselves, and takes cheap, reductionist shots.
taffernicus on 27/8/2025 at 12:41
There are two timelines where the smartphone world used to be exciting (especially Android), and I will remember them forever:
1. When manufacturers did not make it difficult to unlock bootloaders and rooting the Android operating system was not that difficult. I still remember the golden age of tinkering with Android, such as installing custom ROMs for Google Nexus smartphones, LG Optimus 4X, Samsung Galaxy Note/S series, OnePlus phones, and so on. I even came across tutorials on how to create custom ROMs myself.
2. When Google hadn't enforced this ridiculous idea yet: (
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/08/elevating-android-security.html). Anti-consument movement strikes back. it makes me want to puke. It seems Google has followed Apple's lead in creating a walled garden.
I believe the command `adb shell settings put global package_verifier_user_consent -1` will not render Play Protect inert anymore; it should also take effect as soon as possible in 2027. it's not easy to get the accurate gauge of google's next move.
This also indirectly killed my curiosity about the Fuchsia operating system. I would like to know the status of grapheneOS and calyxOS in 2027.Godspeed them . I've never really got on with iOS, for some reason. From my first attempt on an iPhone 4, even up to iOS 16, I still haven't got the feel of it.
*edit : idk google play protect gives me code signing ((
https://redteam.y-security.de/MITRE/mitigations/M0945/)) and powershell's AMSI API vibe (in the sense of execution prevention). Both together can be fooled.
heywood on 27/8/2025 at 13:25
Quote Posted by Aja
I dunno, to me this kind of smacks of the left cutting off its nose to spite its face. We can't ever seem to make progress when we're too busy infighting and trying to cancel each other for not passing ideological purity tests. Focus on class solidarity and labour rights and maybe we could actually get somewhere instead of continuously losing to conservatives with increasingly deranged platforms.
Quote Posted by Nicker
To me it looks like lefties trying to address everyone's concerns, attempting to correct abuse and neglect from the right, while the right lights more fires, points fingers at everyone except themselves, and takes cheap, reductionist shots.
To me it looks like a case of single-issue advocacy taken too far. Like a lot of people I suppose, I feel sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, but can't get behind the movement in the West because of the counter-productive approach and tactics. If you demand that your friends drop whatever they're doing and take up your cause as if it's the only one that matters, then pick fights with them if they don't, pretty soon you won't have friends.
The right is recruiting while the left is purging.
heywood on 27/8/2025 at 14:41
Quote Posted by Aja
I dunno, to me this kind of smacks of the left cutting off its nose to spite its face. We can't ever seem to make progress when we're too busy infighting and trying to cancel each other for not passing ideological purity tests. Focus on class solidarity and labour rights and maybe we could actually get somewhere instead of continuously losing to conservatives with increasingly deranged platforms.
Quote Posted by Nicker
What argument did you make? You trolled and got and got rolled for your BS.
To me it looks like lefties trying to address everyone's concerns, attempting to correct abuse and neglect from the right, while the right lights more fires, points fingers at everyone except themselves, and takes cheap, reductionist shots.
Quote Posted by taffernicus
There are two timelines where the smartphone world used to be exciting (especially Android), and I will remember them forever:
1. When manufacturers did not make it difficult to unlock bootloaders and rooting the Android operating system was not that difficult. I still remember the golden age of tinkering with Android, such as installing custom ROMs for Google Nexus smartphones, LG Optimus 4X, Samsung Galaxy Note/S series, OnePlus phones, and so on. I even came across tutorials on how to create custom ROMs myself.
2. When Google hadn't enforced this ridiculous idea yet: (
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/08/elevating-android-security.html). Anti-consumerism strikes back. it makes me want to puke. It seems Google has followed Apple's lead in creating a walled garden.
I believe the command `adb shell settings put global package_verifier_user_consent -1` will not render Play Protect inert anymore; it should also take effect as soon as possible in 2027. it's not easy to get the accurate gauge of google's next move.
This also indirectly killed my curiosity about the Fuchsia operating system. I would like to know the status of grapheneOS and calyxOS in 2027.Godspeed . I've never really got on with iOS, for some reason. From my first attempt on an iPhone 4, even up to iOS 16, I still haven't got the feel of it.
I am curious about Fuchsia, mainly the kernel, but I don't expect the variant Fuchsia that will end up on mobile devices to be any more open than Android is going to be. I also don't like iOS. It was okay on the first iPhone where its simplicity was a virtue for people completely new to touch interfaces. But it hasn't scaled as phones have turned into more general purpose computers. Apple makes great hardware though.
I agree with you about missing the golden age of tinkering with Android. But I understand they need to prioritize security for business customers over hobbyists because cyber warfare is widespread now and Apple is killing them in the business market. I miss the golden age of tinkering with Linux on the desktop even more. Back in the late 1990s and early 2000s, Linux was small enough and straightforward enough that you could understand how it all works and tailor it just how you want, and it wouldn't change unless you messed with it. But the internet has become a much more hostile place since then, and the threats are too much for me to keep a system secure the way I did back then.
Azaran on 27/8/2025 at 14:45
Quote Posted by heywood
To me it looks like a case of single-issue advocacy taken too far. Like a lot of people I suppose, I feel sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, but can't get behind the movement in the West because of the counter-productive approach and tactics. If you demand that your friends drop whatever they're doing and take up your cause as if it's the only one that matters, then pick fights with them if they don't, pretty soon you won't have friends.
The right is recruiting while the left is purging.
I've seen people shaming their followers for not posting about that and other similar causes.
Activists have also infamously vandalized old artworks, giving such reasons as art being less important than the cause:
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Actually, attacking what people really care about pushes them to ask hard questions. For example: do I really care more about a work of art than about the basic planetary support systems that make art possible in the first place? Does that make any sense? There's an apocalyptic, climate-driven famine in Somalia, which hasn't pushed me to say anything. But I'm venting my anger now over a work of art in a gallery. Does any of this add up? What do I really value here?
I can't help but notice the similarities with China's Cultural Revolution in the 60's, young, misguided activists who think destroying what humanity holds dear is the key to a better world.
I even once saw a self-described communist say that all present culture could be destroyed without consequence, because we can always build "better" culture afterward.
And the adjacent issue is extremist opinions go viral and consequently get normalized. So if some nutjob made a video saying, eg., the Eiffel tower should be dynamited because it's a symbol of privilege or whatever buzzword, it would go viral and before you know it you'd have periodic vandalism on the site.
Aja on 27/8/2025 at 15:27
Quote Posted by heywood
To me it looks like a case of single-issue advocacy taken too far. Like a lot of people I suppose, I feel sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, but can't get behind the movement in the West because of the counter-productive approach and tactics. If you demand that your friends drop whatever they're doing and take up your cause as if it's the only one that matters, then pick fights with them if they don't, pretty soon you won't have friends.
The right is recruiting while the left is purging.
The right is actively getting people elected at all levels of government and consolidating their power while the left shouts from the sidelines and bickers amongst itself. It's maddening.
