Starker on 29/11/2023 at 03:54
The continued desire of white people in the US to cosplay as Native American tribal leaders is so weird.
Pyrian on 29/11/2023 at 06:11
Why is that weird? Their accoutrements are genuinely awesome.
mxleader on 29/11/2023 at 09:10
I had to get up and pee in the middle of the night and I made the error of opening up this thread from an email because I'm subscribed to the thread. Because we have this thing called the 1st Amendment in the US so there may be opinions but there is no argument available for whether or not the kid should or should not have dressed up the way he did other than loose hypocritical arguments from left-wing terrorists. Man I feel surly when I don't have any caffeine in me.
Cipheron on 29/11/2023 at 10:57
That's just as much a misuse of "what about my first amendment" as people who get upset because a private entity told them to GTFO and they can't post shit on their platform.
The first amendment only restricts Congress's right to pass laws about what people can and can't say, it doesn't restrict CITIZENS from yelling over other people.
Say for example if a newspaper publishes something, then people loudly complain, so the newspaper removes that and never prints that again. You can call that censorship, but it's literally the thing the first amendment protects. That's the free press - free to print stuff, free to not print stuff, as the whim takes it.
Cancel culture is still free speech, thus first-amendment protected speech. And as those people are not the government the constitutional section doesn't even apply to them.
You really can't claim to be some sort of first-amendment absolutist, then fail completely to comprehend when it's applicable, and call out people who make use of their own first-amendment rights as "terrorists" and "hypocritical".
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Say the idea of states mandating the 10 Commandments be displayed in schools came up, and some liberal complained about this being a breach of the First Amendment clause on religious establishments. Or say the issue was state-level book banning in schools, and liberals also complained about the First Amendment.
Not a huge leap, but I'm guessing you'd be near the front of the line calling them out as ignorant fools, for not knowing that the First Amendment only applies on the Federal level, and as this is a state thing, the First Amendment doesn't even apply.
you can't have it both ways, that state government book censorship and state government mandated religion isn't a first amendment breach, but someone on twitter hurting the 'widdle feewings' of some right-winger is.
mxleader on 29/11/2023 at 12:23
Quote Posted by Cipheron
You really can't claim to be some sort of first-amendment absolutist, then fail completely to comprehend when it's applicable, and call out people who make use of their own first-amendment rights as "terrorists" and "hypocritical".
Yes I can because the 1st Amendment said I could and stuff. Also, I don't think I made that claim about being an absolutist. I think what I was really trying to say was that calling a kid a racist for putting on a costume and makeup is dumb and batshit crazy. It's just as batshit crazy as forcing religion on students in public schools. Those are two different arguments but both are nuts.
heywood on 29/11/2023 at 12:33
Quote Posted by mxleader
I had to get up and pee in the middle of the night and I made the error of opening up this thread from an email because I'm subscribed to the thread. Because we have this thing called the 1st Amendment in the US so there may be opinions but there is no argument available for whether or not the kid should or should not have dressed up the way he did other than loose hypocritical arguments from left-wing terrorists. Man I feel surly when I don't have any caffeine in me.
No law was broken here and nobody's speech was curtailed. It was a troll and it got the expected response. The thing that bothered me about it was the parents knew they were going to cause a controversy (any KC Chiefs fan would), and used their kid for it. Why would you do that to a kid who is too young to understand? Now he's got to grow up with this baggage.
mxleader on 29/11/2023 at 12:45
Quote Posted by heywood
No law was broken here and nobody's speech was curtailed. It was a troll and it got the expected response. The thing that bothered me about it was the parents knew they were going to cause a controversy (any KC Chiefs fan would), and used their kid for it. Why would you do that to a kid who is too young to understand? Now he's got to grow up with this baggage.
I would guess that the kid won't catch much flak for it in his own school and in ten years time nobody will remember it. Maybe I should put it on my calendar to bring it up in a decade just to see who remembers it.
Starker on 30/11/2023 at 00:51
Quote Posted by Pyrian
Why is that weird? Their accoutrements are genuinely awesome.
It's kind of hard to think of a proper analogy, because there isn't really anything of similar cultural importance in US culture signifying accomplishment and earned respect, but, as an example, you don't generally see civilians in the US slap on a Medal of Honor and pretend to be a veteran.
Or maybe it's kind of like a Native American putting on a black shirt with a white collar, waving a bible around and pretending to be crucified.
Azaran on 30/11/2023 at 01:12
It just gets better and better. The kid actually is (
https://nypost.com/2023/11/29/media/mom-of-young-chiefs-fan-rips-deadspin-for-accusing-him-of-racism/) native American
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The boy's outraged mother, Shannon Armenta, shared numerous images of her son getting a warm reception at the game — while suggesting Deadspin focused on a photo that hid the fact that half her son's face was painted red.
“This has nothing to do with the NFL,” she wrote, suggesting the photo was picked purely “to create division”
“He is Native American — just stop already,” she wrote of her son.
In fact, Holden's grandfather, Raul Armenta, sits on the board of the Chumash Tribe in Santa Ynez, California, according to the Post Millennial.
This is the age we live in folks.
Starker on 30/11/2023 at 03:05
So a writer for a popular sports blog saw a picture where it looked like someone was in blackface and wrote an opinion piece about racial issues in the NFL based on it, then right wing websites gleefully pounced on him when it turned out it wasn't blackface. Culture wars in the US never change, I guess.
Meanwhile, at (
https://www.reddit.com/r/NativeAmerican/comments/186ocs8/so_this_is_happening_over_at_an_nfl_sub/) r/NativeAmerican...
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Ah yes the Chumash- known for their war bonnets..
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Warbonnets aren't art. They're essentially medals earned and displayed.
I'm Lakota. We use them heavily. Our elders are getting antsy about younger generations using the bonnets of their grandfathers because they personally have no feathers, and it's starting to be looked down on. You need to EARN those feathers to wear them. When you have enough feathers for a whole-ass warbonnet, then and ONLY then do you get to wear one.
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Yeah. Wearing a war bonnet when one didn't earn it as a member of that tribe is basically Stolen Valor. I know how white people get up in arms when they spot someone wearing fake service ribbons and a uniform when they weren't actually active duty.
I wish people would understand how this worked and respected it.
