No shadows in Thief 1 & 2. Need help please.

pillaysteven on 23/9/2007 at 02:56

Hey basically shadows don't appear in either Thief 1 or 2 on my laptop. When I first installed them I didn't have this problem and I don't know what happened to change it. Anyone know what's wrong and how to fix it? DXDIAG is below pics. BTW I know that turning off Hardware in the options fixes it but then the game runs too fast and looks horrible.

Thief 1:

Inline Image:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z243/pillaysteven/1.gif

Inline Image:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z243/pillaysteven/2.gif

Inline Image:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z243/pillaysteven/3.gif

Thief 2:
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z243/pillaysteven/1b.gif)

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z243/pillaysteven/2b.gif)

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z243/pillaysteven/3b.gif)

DXDiag:

Code:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 9/23/2007, 03:54:53
Machine name: DHC5YD2J
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_qfe.070227-2300)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
System Model: MM061
BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A06
Processor: Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2500 @ 2.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 507MB used, 1952MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Mobility Radeon X1400
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 (0x7145)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7145&SUBSYS_20031028&REV_00
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 800 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Default Monitor
Monitor Max Res:
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6618 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 5/23/2006 22:06:54, 260096 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 5/23/2006 22:06:36, 1578496 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-3205-11CF-426A-0900A1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x7145
SubSys ID: 0x20031028
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV8_B ModeWMV8_A ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{3C5323C1-6FB7-44F5-9081-056BF2EE449D}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: SRS Labs Audio Sandbox
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: SRS\SSCFilter
Manufacturer ID: 65535
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: srs_sscfilter_i386.sys
Driver Version: 1.05.0001.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 3/12/2007 11:15:48, 38400 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: SRS Labs, Inc.
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

Description: SigmaTel Audio
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_8384&DEV_7690&SUBSYS_102801BD&REV_1022
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: sthda.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.4995.0001 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 3/24/2006 16:34:30, 1156648 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: SigmaTel
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xB5B
Min/Max Sample Rate: 44100, 96000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

Description: SoundTap Recorder
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: *nchssvad
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: nchssvad.sys
Driver Version: 1.00.0000.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 9/4/2007 19:32:30, 23616 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: NCH Swift Sound
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
Description: SigmaTel Audio
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: sthda.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.4995.0001 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 3/24/2006 16:34:30, 1156648 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xCC0

Description: SoundTap Recorder
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name: nchssvad.sys
Driver Version: 1.00.0000.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 9/4/2007 19:32:30, 23616 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xFFF

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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
SRS Audio Sandbox, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
SoundTap Recorder, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
Registry: OK

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x27C8
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 57600 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 4736 bytes

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Gameport Devices
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PS/2 Devices
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+ Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 52736 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 24576 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 01:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 24576 bytes
|
+ Synaptics PS/2 Port Pointing Device
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f13
| Upper Filters: SynTP
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 52736 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 23040 bytes
| Driver: SynTP.sys, 3/8/2006 11:35:10, 191872 bytes
| Driver: SynTPAPI.dll, 3/8/2006 11:38:24, 94299 bytes
| Driver: SynTPFcs.dll, 3/8/2006 11:49:12, 69723 bytes
| Driver: SynCOM.dll, 3/8/2006 11:37:44, 82014 bytes
| Driver: SynCtrl.dll, 3/8/2006 11:38:00, 114688 bytes
| Driver: SynTPLpr.exe, 3/8/2006 11:49:20, 82011 bytes
| Driver: SynTPCpl.dll, 3/8/2006 11:40:34, 6135899 bytes
| Driver: SynCntxt.rtf, 3/8/2006 11:39:10, 3532622 bytes
| Driver: SynZMetr.exe, 3/8/2006 11:33:56, 163840 bytes
| Driver: SynMood.exe, 3/8/2006 11:33:50, 147456 bytes
| Driver: SynTPEnh.exe, 3/8/2006 11:48:02, 761947 bytes
| Driver: SynTPCOM.dll, 3/8/2006 11:38:42, 41064 bytes
| Driver: Tutorial.exe, 3/8/2006 11:49:40, 221184 bytes
| Driver: InstNT.exe, 3/8/2006 11:51:28, 81920 bytes
| Driver: SynISDLL.dll, 3/8/2006 11:50:00, 557056 bytes
| Driver: SynUnst.ini, 3/8/2006 19:35:58, 217399 bytes
| Driver: SynTPCo2.dll, 3/8/2006 11:51:18, 81920 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 01:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 23040 bytes

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DirectPlay Service Providers
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DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Passed, Half Duplex: Passed, Mic: Passed
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

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DirectPlay Adapters
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DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider: Conexant HDA D110 MDC V.92 Modem
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM3
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Wireless Network Connection - IPv6 - fe80::213:2ff:fed3:93ad
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface - IPv6 - 2001:0:4136:e38a:0:fbaa:3dd1:1845
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface - IPv6 - fe80::ffff:ffff:fffd
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface - IPv6 - fe80::5efe:
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Wireless Network Connection - IPv4 -

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DirectPlay Voice Codecs
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Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

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DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 16.2 GB
Total Space: 82.6 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD1200BEVS-75LAT0

Drive: D:
Free Space: 23.3 GB
Total Space: 27.2 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD1200BEVS-75LAT0

Drive: F:
Free Space: 292.0 GB
Total Space: 476.9 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: SUMOdisk USB Device

Drive: E:
Model: SONY DVD+-RW DW-Q58A
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 11:00:00, 49536 bytes

bikerdude on 23/9/2007 at 07:46

Hi there

This will almost certainly be a driver issue, I would un-install the graphics driver, then run a driver cleaner such as "(http://majorgeeks.com/download3233.html) nasty file remover" - (when using this util take care to only select and delete the display driver)

Download and install the latest release of DirectX 9.0c then Download and install the latest Ati graphics driver.

This should fix the rendering issue in T2.

biker

pillaysteven on 23/9/2007 at 15:57

Tried, it didn't work. Still no shadows. When I updated the driver, the desktop was resized but I still had the ability to put it to a much higher res... so I don't know whether uninstalling it actually uninstalled the drivers or maybe windows reinstalled it automatically. I have no idea what else to do.

bikerdude on 23/9/2007 at 19:16

Im sure Ive had this happen to me once, but I cant remember how I fixed it...

I imagine someone will be alone shortly with a fix..

just be patient

biker

Nameless Voice on 23/9/2007 at 21:50

I assume you are not playing through DromEd?
Those screenshots look exactly like DromEd with light_bright enabled but without lit_obj_toggle enabled (all terrain at full brightness, but objects lit normally.)

This is vaguely familiar but I can't think what might cause it. Have you changed any driver settings or made configuration changes in ATI Tray Tools recently?

pillaysteven on 25/9/2007 at 15:24

No didn't make any changes to configuration that I can remember. I can't really remember when this problem started. A good while ago anyway. I wonder if playing in dromed would help...

Calibrator on 26/9/2007 at 10:22

Quote Posted by pillaysteven

No didn't make any changes to configuration that I can remember. I can't really remember when this problem started. A good while ago anyway. I wonder if playing in dromed would help...

Please list the contents of your CAM.CFG file here (also in the main T2 folder).

Under certain conditions T2 misconfigures the video config in this file (which *may* be solvable).

Calibrator

pillaysteven on 26/9/2007 at 20:10

Here ya go:

Thief 1:

Code:

; $Header: r:/prj/cam/src/RCS/cam.cfg 1.14 1998/09/23 20:00:41 mahk Exp $

; hey, which game is this
game dark

; general configs
include_user_cfg user.cfg
editor_include_dromed_cfg dromed.cfg

; game specific paths/configs
dark_include_install_cfg install.cfg

shock_resname_base r:\prj\shock\art\finals

; set trait cache to include concretes
trait_cache_flags 2
character_detail 1
skip_intro
sfx_device 1
game_screen_depth 8
gamma 0.8999999762
game_hardware 0
game_screen_size 640 480
sfx_channels 8
game_screen_flags 9
game_full_screen 1
master_volume -1
d3d_driver_index 0

Thief 2:

Code:

; $Header: r:/t2repos/thief2/src/cam.cfg,v 1.24 2000/03/08 11:43:50 adurant Exp $

; hey, which game is this
game dark

; general configs
include_user_cfg user.cfg
editor_include_dromed_cfg dromed.cfg

; game specific paths/configs
dark_include_install_cfg darkinst.cfg
shock_include_install_cfg install.cfg

; set trait cache to include concretes
trait_cache_flags 2

no_network

sfx_vol_music -474
fogging 0
enhanced_sky 1
render_weather 1
movie_volume_factor 0.7

sfx_vol_3d 0
skip_intro
sfx_device 1
game_screen_depth 16
gamma 1.
game_hardware 1
sfx_vol_2d 0
game_screen_flags 13
game_screen_size 640 480
sfx_channels 12
ambient_volume 0
game_full_screen 1
master_volume 0

Calibrator on 27/9/2007 at 20:36

Quote Posted by pillaysteven

Here ya go:

Thief 1:

Code:

game_hardware 0
game_screen_flags 9
game_screen_depth 8
game_full_screen 1

Thief 2:

Code:

fogging 0
enhanced_sky 1
render_weather 1

game_screen_depth 16
game_hardware 1
game_screen_flags 13
game_full_screen 1

Now lets try to analyze this:

The dark engine games saves screens in PCX format and after snapping them you simply uploaded them to Photobucket, right? If you had to convert them I guess you didn't change them from 16 bits (65536 colors) to 8 bits, right?

What we see, however, are 8 bit GIF files with missing lighting and partly missing textures (T2).

A graphics mode with 8 bit color indicates software rendering (in T2), which has some negative features: No bilinear filtering, no weather effects, no vertical sync (hence being "too fast") and limited resolution.

The interesting values in the cam.cfg for this are these:

game_hardware 0
game_screen_flags 9

if you see this you dont use hardware acceleration (T1 in your case) - and this can lead to various effects: "crazy colors" - especially in 16 bit modes (which you don't use with T1), missing textures, crashes to the desktop if the scene uses too many textures...

Now T2 has the correct values (!):

game_hardware 1
game_screen_flags 13

You should modify the T1 cam.cfg to get these values. Do it manually, start a new game and watch if something changes.

I would be surprised, though, if you get shadows, as you would normally see them in software mode, too.

Then look at cam.cfg again and check if these values are changed back to "0" and "9", respectively.
If this is the case T1 doesn't accept the results the graphics driver answers or doesn't even discover that there is a Direct 3D capable device...
Then you probably have a driver problem or a problem with a BIOS setting.

Now the T2 screens doesn't look "too" bad - it's true that they don't have shadows but they don't have these weird colored textures (except blackened ones).

First of all check that T2 says in the graphics mode menu something like "640x480x8" - which I doubt because your cam.cfg file looks like T2 uses 3D acceleration and a 16 bits mode - and answer back.

Until then!
Calibrator

achilleez13 on 8/1/2009 at 22:01

Greetings All :)

Resurrected this thread out of sheer desperation.I've been having the exact same problem as above with ss2 i.e. everything installs/runs perfectly apart from it's like I've got the levels open in an editor with full on light,no shadows or ambient lighting at all :( .I've scoured these forums and the web and (worryingly) have found hardly any mention of others having this prob. I've tried every kind of fix,patch and compatibility setting (annoyingly the game seems to be really happy to install and play)but nothing I've tried including all the different 3d control/directx tweaks seem to make any difference at all.
I even dug out an old geforce 2 mmx and ran with that but to no avail.
Reading about how creepy and atmospheric ss2 is,is driving me nuts when mine looks like a bright sunny day bah!If anyone at all could please,please help me with this I would be eternally grateful.

my system spec:-

Asus A8N SLI Deluxe
Geforce 7800 GT (running latest forceware drivers,though I tried rolling back)
Soundblaster Platinum (eek!)
2 GB Ram
Windows XP Pro SP3

Thanks in advance for any replies.