Sulphur on 16/7/2016 at 06:04
Look, since no one wants to directly spell this out: understand that provoking people into a response is simply adding fuel to the fire, and no one wants to engage with a fear-mongering spiel here. There will always be assholes out there who're out to use what we fear against us, and reactions like yours means that the method works.
For the people who died, the world grieves and it cannot bring them back. For the people who survive, we can only persevere and attempt to be the best we can with the options available to us. Letting strong emotion overcome you instead of waiting for it to drain out has never led to great decisions. If the best we can be is to indiscriminately lash out against all people of a certain race, religion, or creed, then we deserve everything that happens to us.
bjack on 16/7/2016 at 06:29
How many mass killings like this will it take then until you see they want you dead? Not all followers of Islam, just the radical ISIS types...
Fafhrd on 16/7/2016 at 06:32
Quote Posted by bjack
And what is wrong exactly about bringing up a serious matter, nearly a day after it occurred, when no one brings it up? It is some secret? You cannot speak of RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR!
The reason the EU isn't losing their god damned minds about this is because the attacker at Nice had no ties to any terrorist groups and there is no evidence suggesting his actions were driven by RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR. If he were white he'd be a 'lone nut' and everybody would be sad and then this would be out of the news cycle in a week.
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No group has claimed responsibility for the attack, and authorities did not release information about a motive. Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said that so far, the investigation has not uncovered any evidence of jihadism. But Molins said the attack fits with calls that "terrorist organizations regularly give out on their videos and elsewhere." Bouhlel was known to police because of allegations of threats, violence and thefts over the last six years, and he was given a suspended six-month prison sentence this year after being convicted of violence with a weapon, Molins said. Bouhlel's father, who lives in Tunisia, has revealed that his son showed signs of mental health issues -- having had multiple nervous breakdowns and volatile behavior, said CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank. The man was "entirely unknown by the intelligence services, whether nationally or locally," Molins said. "He had never been the subject of any kind of file or indication of radicalization," Molins said
Sulphur on 16/7/2016 at 06:35
Quote Posted by bjack
How many mass killings like this will it take then until you see they want you dead? Not all followers of Islam, just the radical ISIS types...
None? They don't particularly want me dead, they want the world to follow their ideal. I reject that because I refuse to kowtow to any group of extremist ideologies. Does that mean I should be afraid for myself if I come across them? Sure. Does it mean I should reject reason and logic and perpetuate the state of terror that's being attempted by, you know,
terrorism? No.
Also, what Fafhrd said. It's too early to call out what the reason for the attack was. Either way, this discussion is rooted in unfounded accusation.
Judith on 16/7/2016 at 07:44
What Fafhrd and Sulphur said. I'd expect adults to deal with grief in adult manner, OP does not belong to that category, I'm afraid.
(
www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trying-to-make-sense-of-the-attack-in-nice)
"ISIS has created a framework for any mass killer to attain posthumous membership and notoriety. Linking atrocities to ISIS also provides us all a tempting narrative thread, a facile way to make some sense of horror. Whatever emerges out of the investigation in Nice, that temptation should be resisted."
Vivian on 16/7/2016 at 08:14
Fuck off bjack, if this is your honest response and not some kneejerk outpouring you've got more in common with the people you're talking about than you realise. Think more.
Vivian on 16/7/2016 at 08:18
I mean for one thing, you have jumped to the conclusion that this is an ISIS thing based on what? He had an Arabic sounding name?
SubJeff on 16/7/2016 at 08:52
I don't post much but I'm posting for this.
bjack - you're an idiot.
Get back in your hole.
Dia on 16/7/2016 at 11:04
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
The reason the EU isn't losing their god damned minds about this is because the attacker at Nice had no ties to any terrorist groups and there is no evidence suggesting his actions were driven by RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR. If he were white he'd be a 'lone nut' and everybody would be sad and then this would be out of the news cycle in a week.
Actually, ISIS
has claimed responsibility. "The person who carried out the operation in Nice, France, to run down people was one of the soldiers of Islamic State," the news agency Amaq, which supports Islamic State, said via its Telegram account.
"He carried out the operation in response to calls to target nationals of states that are part of the coalition fighting Islamic State," the statement said."
It was almost predictable that ISIS would make that claim in spite of the fact that the attacker 'was not known to French intelligence sources for radicalization.' (Quotes taken from a Reuters article posted this morning.) There are several witnesses/survivors who claim that the attacker yelled 'Allah Akbar' several times before the police shot him.
Harvester on 16/7/2016 at 11:11
No one is mourning? Please, watch the news. Support is massively outpouring. 80% of the 8 o'clock news last night here in the Netherlands was dedicated to it. The morning newspaper I just read had 6 pages dedicated to it, with articles that were much more nuanced and dignified than the reactionary bullshit you just posted, bjack.
It's just too bad similar attacks in Muslim countries don't get the same amount of attention. That gets to me. Other Muslims are the primary victims of Islamic terrorism. They are killed in large numbers, fleeing to other countries, and on top of that, they're stigmatized and made suspect by xenophobes, just because they belong to the same religion as these attackers. The xenophobes also don't realize that this osctracization (being looked at in a suspect way, called names on the street, not being able to find a job, even getting beaten up) can lead to new radicalization for some people that feel rejected by society.
EDIT: also, the title of the thread is: do you even have an opinion? Some people like to let serious events like this sink in for a moment, think about it for a while, read some articles about it and then form a nuanced, reasonable opinion about it. Instead of just posting the first knee-jerk thing that comes to mind, fueled by immediate anger. You do this all the damn time.
