Hemebond on 7/4/2009 at 13:19
Most successful TTLG troll ever. Ever.
Garras on 7/4/2009 at 13:49
Quote Posted by Hemebond
Most successful TTLG troll ever.
Ever.
You are a f**cking ingrate, my friend.
rachel on 7/4/2009 at 14:33
Oh hi Pot, meet Kettle.
ZylonBane on 7/4/2009 at 15:00
Quote Posted by Garras
To be honest, I can't really see any problem with my code and using a WYSIWYG editor.
The problem is that you aren't very smart.
Don't look for that to change anytime soon.
cosmicnut on 7/4/2009 at 15:24
Quote Posted by Garras
It still makes no difference. The site still looks as it SHOULD do, I've never had any problems with it loading and displaying correctly.
If you're this worried about code, I bet you wouldn't play any games as I bet their code is not perfect. Who cares though - as long as the game runs and is good? It's the same principle.
Here's a little story of how I learned ASP (Active Server Pages).
I used to use frontpage to design web pages. It wasn't bad, but tended to generate a lot of extra code that you didn't need.
I found a cool function in it that allowed me to add data from a database to my web page.
The problem was that this was slow and caused havok on our low powered (at the time) server.
The solution was simple.
Everywhere I put in a database field look up, Frontpage generated a block of code that logged into the Database, looked up data, then displayed it.
With the number of people using the system, the server couldn't keep up as each time the page was viewed it generated 20 database requests. Not that much but times it by 500 people and you have a problem.
The solution?
I sat down, learned ASP properly. I worked out how to turn the 20 requests into just one and system performance hit the roof.
Using WYSIWYG editors isn't a crime and I still do occasionally to help me get some of the simpler layout right, as you can experiment more easliy.
I then spend a lot of time stripping out code you don't need and sprucing it up, before I then contiue developing additional layout in notepad.
There is still the thought that ANYONE can build a brilliant website with a few simple tools. To some extent, thats right. Frontpage, Dreamweaver, etc, etc can make pretty good web site pretty quickly. The problem is that those tools are either, "not so simple" or they over simplify and you loose flexibility. All of them however generate masses of code that could have been simplified. Also, if you don't know how the page works it makes bug fixing a nightmare as touching the wrong tag can break the entire page.
If you use an old version of the app it won't be up to date with the latest tech an will use depreciated code.
Not instantly a problem but one that will get worse with new generation of browsers. No-ones going to keep developing depreciated methods. Result will start to get unpredictable and the functions may get removed all together.
The moral of this long winded post...
LEARN THE LANGUAGE!
Treat WYSIWYG editors a tutorials and guides. Learn the latest techniques, there are a tonne of on-line tutorails.
Once you get a hang of the basics, the impressive stuff seems a lot easier
Al_B on 7/4/2009 at 18:41
Book suggestion: (
http://www.amazon.com/Build-Your-Site-Right-Using/dp/0980455278/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1239128342&sr=8-1) Build Your Own Web Site The Right Way Using HTML & CSS. It doesn't cover server-side technologies or javascript but it concentrates on the basics nicely.
There are several (many?) problems with using the font tag:
* With font tags you're dictating presentation, not meaning. Presentation is the browser's job - and these days that can be anything from text browsers, mobile phones to television sized displays.
* If you want to change something such as headings you have to change each one individually if they've been marked with separate font tags. If you've assigned classes (or just assigned a style to the html tag) then you do the change in only ONE place - a much easier maintenance job.
* What about if someone is colourblind and can't read the text due to colours? Separating presentation from content makes it much easier to swap in a different style sheet if necessary.
For your own fun website you may not care. If it's "only viewable by people with perfect vision, using internet explorer on a PC with a resolution of 800x600 or above" - it's no big loss to you. In reality, people build websites for other people and putting artificial barriers in the way does no favours in the long run.
Quote Posted by "Garras"
Also, shouldn't creating websites be fun?
Of course - no one's forcing you to create the SS2 page. However, you may actually find it enjoyabe to look into the background of it a little more.
Kefren on 7/4/2009 at 19:30
Quote Posted by Al_B
Book suggestion: Build Your Own Web Site The Right Way Using HTML & CSS. It doesn't cover server-side technologies or javascript but it concentrates on the basics nicely.
That looks useful, I'll order a copy myself from my local bookshop. I'm one of those people who has been working with amateur websites for years and wanted to know more about CSS and so on, but have been scared off by every book I looked at. This seems to be the kind of thing I should start with.
Enchantermon on 10/4/2009 at 12:45
:laff: I'm sending that to my web design teacher.
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