Hewer on 6/12/2007 at 16:18
Quote Posted by catbarf
... people seem to think that the best way to help society is to completely eliminate parenting.
Quoted for absolute truth.
Martin Karne on 6/12/2007 at 16:20
I can clearly see why useless parents blame games like Thief, where violence is paramount, uh oh err Quake game series pardon me.
:erg:
The_Raven on 6/12/2007 at 17:15
Quote Posted by Lazarus411
There's another solution: make it illegal for civilians to own or carry guns.
I actually think the opposite might be more effective. If everyone carried a gun, no sane person would do stupid shit for fear of being shot. It's mutually assured destruction applied on the small scale. :thumb:
SD on 6/12/2007 at 17:58
Quote Posted by catbarf
Modern society seems to try and reduce the role of the parent.
I'm not sure it's society that does this per se, but the state, which increasingly has offered itself as a surrogate parent. Modern times have seen the state assume a bigger and bigger role in people's lives, seemingly without much in the way of protest, if the worldwide decline in liberal political force is anything to go by.
Now everyone (in the UK at least) seems to have belatedly woken up to the fact that their rights and responsibilities are being slowly stripped from them, but only after a century or more of them voting in successive gangs of authoritarian buttholes. I mean, what the fuck do these turkeys expect? That they can vote for Christmas and complain when Boxing Day comes around?
jtr7 on 6/12/2007 at 18:03
These things build gradually. The Grown Ups write off the kid's expressions of emotional turmoil as melodramaic, ignoring the fact that the kid feels real, unresolved pain and is expecting the Grown Ups to bring relief. Relief can be simply believing them and showing an understanding that the kid has real problems coping. Not all kids are capable of getting over it, or ceasing to be wusses. These kids expressing emotional turmoil are being called attention whores and they are being ignored. Keeping this in context, I'm NOT lumping all kinds of emotionally messed up kids, here.
Grown Ups need to pay attention, invest time in their kids, and take dark emotions seriously.
nickie on 6/12/2007 at 18:10
I've been doing a bit of googling this afternoon about this and I found quite a lot of stuff that surprised me. For instance, I laboured under the misapprehension that this was predominantly a USA thing, but it isn't, at least not in comparison. Happens plenty of places in the rest of the world. It just doesn't seem to get blazoned across the news in the same way. There is some (
http://www.class.org.au/ideas-kill.htm) information to suggest that media coverage isn't helpful.
I came across a book and an article, one entitled 'More Guns, More Crime' and purported to prove it. And the 2nd one was entitled 'More Guns, Less Crime' and ditto. :confused:
But, what I hadn't realised was that Switzerland has a mandatory gun ownership for every male householder over the age of 18 but seem to have only ever had one mass shooting in 2001. I may be wrong. And then again, in Australia there seem to have been no mass shootings since gun reform was introduced in 1996 banning semi-automatic and pump action guns.
What I haven't really been able to find out is the average age of these people. Just the odd statistic for the odd country. But it seems to be mostly teens and 98% blokes. Not having a go at men by the way, at least not on this occasion. ;)
I've just ended more and more confused. And the closest I got to some kind of possible non-scientific (I don't think) explanation perhaps was (
http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/04/from_columbine_.html) this article about a book called 'The Tipping Point'.
Vasquez on 6/12/2007 at 18:20
Quote Posted by SD
I'm not sure it's society that does this per se, but the state, which increasingly has offered itself as a surrogate parent.
Hereabouts it seems more like too many parents happily giving up any responsibilities, taking the role of a friend and let the kindergarten, school etc. do the actual parenting. Actually Being There for your kid is replaced with Quality Time crammed somewhere on the weekly/monthly schedule etc.
Oh well, I probably shouldn't have an opinion, since I don't have kids. Anyway, horrible thing, again.
The_Raven on 6/12/2007 at 18:27
Quote:
entitled 'More Guns, Less Crime'...But, what I hadn't realised was that Switzerland has a mandatory gun ownership for every male householder over the age of 18 but seem to have only ever had one mass shooting in 2001.
Someone stole my idea. :(
I was sorta aware of the gun ownership laws in Switzerland and mandatory military service, but not mandatory gun ownership. Keep in mind that just because there has been a decrease in shootings after certain measures came into effect, doesn't mean that the decrease is caused by the measures. Correlation does not equal causality.
nickie on 6/12/2007 at 18:37
Sorry. :)
But the point of the post was that there is nothing but confusion and manipulation of statistics to argue your point. The research should surely be going into why the Swiss don't go on killing sprees despite every adult male having a gun, and other nations do?
fett on 6/12/2007 at 19:05
Quote Posted by failure2comply
I have a brother who once told me he was looking for a twenty-two so he could "pop some heads". Now he's resting all day long on an Ikea sofa in a mental institution. Sure dead people in a mall is terrible, but no more so than hundreds or thousands wasting away at the hands of a despot. Moral of the story? This shit happens all the time. Get used to it.
Or how 'bout we don't 'get used to it' because innocent people dying over some loser fuck-up with a bad haircut that couldn't keep a job at McDonad's (McDonald's for fucks sake) isn't a normal part of day to day living that most of us want to just accept. As for your brother, it sounds like he should be in a mental institution. I'd recommend looking into one yourself if you think we should just 'get used to' stuff like this.
Quote Posted by Thief13x;
not trying to play the blamegame but I think alot of desensitation to this kinda shit comes from the introduction of emo music.
Forgive me if this has been covered elsewhere, but it's quite possible that you're the biggest dumbfuck on the entire internet.
