Malf on 18/11/2018 at 18:18
I don't have to prove anything "sunshine", as opinion is purely subjective in this matter. If you're referring to the pre-release screenshot that showed a rainbow over a waterfall, I thought it was a nice graphical touch. Dumbass forum warriors like yourself thought it was the end times.
And you keep using the word "receipts". In the words of Inigo Montoya, I do not think that word means what you think it means.
On top of which, are you really that incapable of googling?
froghawk on 18/11/2018 at 19:01
The second one is a lot moodier tbh.
I think what most of you are missing here is that literally no one is saying people shouldn't dislike things. Just that there is a huge difference saying you dislike a decision in an adult manner and booing and swearing at developers, sending them death threats, and acting entitled for them to do whatever you want. That's what I'm saying, and I'm pretty sure that's what Sulphur is saying. Saying you 'loathe' a game you've never played that isnt actively harming the world in any way is very over the top.
Malf on 18/11/2018 at 19:59
Interesting that most of that mood comes from post-processing and that the base assets are almost identical. Almost like the lighting engine is one of the last things to be finalised ;)
In particular, I remember at the time the "community" complaining about the almost painterly vegetation. Yet that effects is pretty much unchanged between 2008 and release.
In case it's not clear, I'm very much with Sulphur and yourself here in that I think a lot of this drama is driven forward by people whipping themselves up in to a frenzy, finding fault where there is none, and becoming polarised at extremes due to not being able to interpret or communicate nuance and moderation in online communication. And I suspect they very much enjoy the shitstorm that develops around them.
I'm also aware that I myself was in danger of falling in to that category with my above posts. But it just drives me a bit mad when certain people here only post in order to create or amplify controversy.
They post almost nothing else. At which point I am forced to ask why the hell do they come to this forum in the first place? It's obviously not to make friends. Which is a massive shame, because there are some most excellent people here.
Pyrian on 18/11/2018 at 20:00
Quote Posted by froghawk
I think what most of you are missing here is that literally no one is saying people shouldn't dislike things.
That is exactly and literally what you (and Sulphur) are complaining about.
Quote Posted by froghawk
Just that there is a huge difference saying you dislike a decision in an adult manner and booing and swearing at developers, sending them death threats...
If you guys were complaining about death threats, doxing, harassment, and so on, nobody'd take issue with you. That's wrong and people shouldn't do it. But you're actually complaining about expressions of dislike.
Quote Posted by froghawk
That's what I'm saying, and I'm pretty sure that's what Sulphur is saying. Saying you 'loathe' a game you've never played that isnt actively harming the world in any way is very over the top.
Look. Right there. You did it again. I underlined it in case you missed it. You are literally complaining that they complained that they don't like it. Full stop. That's what you're doing.
froghawk on 18/11/2018 at 20:11
Let me make myself entirely clear. I don't care what anyone thinks about Diablo Immortal. I don't even particularly care about the game, and there is a good chance I won't play it (though I am more likely to play it than Diablo 3, but definitely not at launch). People can dislike the game all they want. There is a big difference in the amount of energy and investment in saying you're not interested in something, you dislike it, or you full on loathe it - these are not synonymous. It's a matter of degrees, and the latter involves a serious investment and blowing things out of proportion. I'm sorry if that nuance is lost on you. And yes, Blizzard has a history of receiving death threats from their fans when they do something the fans don't like. I have zero doubt that it's happening right now.
Quote Posted by Malf
Interesting that most of that mood comes from post-processing and that the base assets are almost identical. Almost like the lighting engine is one of the last things to be finalised ;)
In particular, I remember at the time the "community" complaining about the almost painterly vegetation. Yet that effects is pretty much unchanged between 2008 and release.
In case it's not clear, I'm very much with Sulphur and yourself here in that I think a lot of this drama is driven forward by people whipping themselves up in to a frenzy, finding fault where there is none, and becoming polarised at extremes due to not being able to interpret or communicate nuance and moderation in online communication. And I suspect they very much enjoy the shitstorm that develops around them.
I'm also aware that I myself was in danger of falling in to that category with my above posts. But it just drives me a bit mad when certain people here only post in order to create or amplify controversy.
They post almost nothing else. At which point I am forced to ask why the hell do they come to this forum in the first place? It's obviously not to make friends. Which is a massive shame, because there are some most excellent people here.
I agree with all of this. You articulated what I'm getting at better than I did.
Sulphur on 18/11/2018 at 20:33
Yeah, I'm sorry that nuance is apparently lost on some people, too. It's interesting how a bluntly phrased bit of criticism riles people up, isn't it? It's doubly interesting how some picked up only that part, and used it to lose the rest of the message.
So:
Quote Posted by Pyrian
That is exactly and literally what you (and Sulphur) are complaining about.
I'm not sure how much simpler I can make this. If you actually think anyone's calling to shut down
all criticism here, despite repeatedly calling out that the
manner of criticism is important, you're just devolving this into a my side/their side situation because you're either unable or unwilling to parse an opinion that swings into neither extreme of the spectrum.
Mr.Duck on 19/11/2018 at 00:20
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
...sorry sunshine.
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TTK12G3 on 19/11/2018 at 06:42
Quote Posted by voodoo47
about the Diablo Immortal situation - Blizzard took the most hardcore fans, dangled something they obviously wouldn't want in front of their noses, and essentially called them idiots for not liking it. any company that does such a thing deserves to experience the resulting shitstorm in its full ferocity.
I've heard several arguments that they will still likely make a lot of money using this model, but doubtless they really need to work on PR. I don't understand why there is so much hostility towards the fanbase.
Thirith on 19/11/2018 at 08:44
I don't have much of a stake in this; I've enjoyed all the Diablo games to date and I've liked the craftsmanship that goes into the Blizzard games I've played. They did screw this up in terms of PR and I do understand the frustrations of a player base - but I also think that fandoms tend to have an overinflated, petulant sense of entitlement, and this very quickly makes me lose patience with them. Over the decade, so many people who'd identify themselves as the "true fans" of this or that IP have proven toxic, spouting stuff along the lines of "you owe me" and "you betrayed us", and as much as I appreciate fan disappointment, as soon as it gets like that my sympathy for them is very, very limited. Doubly so if it's the kind of hyperbole we got with the supposed rainbowification of Diablo 3.
