froghawk on 16/11/2018 at 14:24
It's been a long time since any major developer has truly been a PC developer. That age is over.
icemann on 16/11/2018 at 14:30
Meh.
As to the original post, I don't think mobile gaming will be all there is with gaming. Not all games on mobile are for the casual audience. Some at least have a hardcore element. I played Dungeon Keeper on mobile for a few years *avoids rotten tomatoes* and that is a very hardcore game if you get into the tournament side of things. Pokemon Go has a hardcore side to it, if your going to go trying to get every pokemon, every evolution etc etc. Has raiding too. Never bothered with that.
Pyrian on 16/11/2018 at 14:34
Quote Posted by Sulphur
If you act like a whiny bitch, you get called a whiny bitch.
Hey! Sulphur! You're being a whiny bitch. And you're managing to do it about something
less consequential than Diablo having a mobile version.
Nothing more pathetic than the backlash to the backlash.
Sulphur on 16/11/2018 at 14:39
Hmm. You may have a point, but then what about the backlash to the backlash to the backlash? Is that like some order of meta-pathetic, or if I play a dour piano solo to it, do we say, pathétique?
And reread my post, maybe? I know it's hard to gauge tonal didacticism, which I fully cop to, versus actually whining about shit, but do try.
Malf on 16/11/2018 at 14:44
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
So the finished 2012 game's art direction wasn't impacted by criticism prior to release, rite?
Not really, unless you take into account Whimsyshire, which was Blizzard thumbing their noses at the interweb drama queens.
driver on 16/11/2018 at 14:51
Thing is, I haven't seen a lot of what I'd call 'whining' about Diablo Immortal, I've mostly seen criticism of Blizzard's cack-handed announcement and their bafflement when people weren't excited to see one of their favorite series getting a mobile-only release, which (if it is anything like NetEase's other games) is going to be riddled with micro transactions. Sure Diablo has moved onto consoles, but it has always had a PC release, and for Blizzard to make this the big end-of-show announcement, it seems to be like they've really misread their core audience (ie. The people who pay to turn up to these conventions).
Sure, I don't really care a fig if they make a mobile-only version of a Diablo game, I'm never going to play it. But I can sympathize with the fans who'd been teased with a big Diablo reveal only to be shown this knock off.*
*I say knock off because from what I've seen it looks and plays like a re-skinned version of NE's other titles and Blizzard have stated that they've worked with NE only to develop the art assets. No word on anything like the engine and such.
TannisRoot on 16/11/2018 at 17:45
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
I don't even get the appeal of mobile games. I've never felt any desire to play any games on my phone, apart from one time several years ago when I had an old Windows Mobile device with a stylus which could run Lemmings.
The screen is too small and the controls too awkward to play anything meaningful. If I'm bored with my phone, I'd rather just read a book on it.
Maybe I just haven't met any good phone games?
Same here. Maybe it's just an age thing. I could see emulating a jrpg or Pokémon if I still cared about that sort of thing, but anything else and the screen is too small / touch controls too awkward, not to mention the battery wouldn't last for anything extensive. If I wanted a handheld gaming experience I'd probably just choose a 3DS, GBA, or a Switch these days.
I can see mobile gaming being big among kids who don't have access to traditional gaming platforms, which admittedly is going to be LOTS in the Chinese market, but other than that it's hard for me to see how mobile can compete with handhelds.
froghawk on 16/11/2018 at 18:50
It could be nice to have a controller attachment that goes around the phone and also has an extra battery pack to make it more viable, kind of like the attachable keyboards.
Idk, I've never owned a handheld platform, but I have played some mobile games. My favorite was still Deus Ex: The Fall because it did a pretty incredible job of converting Human Revolution's gameplay and feeling to a mobile setting. Of course, that makes it a double-dumbed-down-deusex, and thus it didn't translate at ALL to PC, but I saw a lot of potential for immersive mobile gaming when I played that. I do think Gryz's 'type 2' is very possible on the platform.
TannisRoot on 16/11/2018 at 21:34
Quote Posted by froghawk
yep, and diablo 3 is supposed to be even shallower. I'm not sure why warren spector of all people thinks diablo II is a 'special' game and still has it installed to this day, though I did love it as a kid. I did a quick replay of it as an adult just to see what the online component was like, and it mostly consisted of skipping big chunks of the game (or doing a lot of it out of order) between high level players jumping in and doing all the hard parts for me, which seems like a bit of a design flaw. At least the original game had a lot of atmosphere and was shorter and harder.
Hence me thinking the series would make BETTER mobile titles than pc titles. I don't get the outrage one bit.
The online component of Diablo 2 is what made it special imo. It's why things like build viability weren't that important because you were always in a team and could always contribute even if it was suboptimal. It wasn't a big deal to experiment and make joke / esoteric builds like it would be in solo.
That said, today's online playerbase is very different than what you had back in the day. All the casual players have moved on so now you are left with the hardcore grinders / min-maxes and a whole lotta bots. You can set level requirements on games, but there probably isn't enough players these days. Not a lot of people left just making games to enjoy the content. That said what made Diablo special has probably been eclipsed by games like Path of Exile and Grim Dawn by now. Although Diablo 3 is a great casual version of the formula.
I don't know what OG Diablo fans expect from the franchise. I didn't even realize there were OG fans left after 3 lol
icemann on 18/11/2018 at 03:32
The other thing is that this is the first new Diablo game in 5 years and it's a bloody mobile game. Course people are going to be pissed off.
Not all mobile games are bad mind you. I used to spend ages in Fallout Shelter. Shame the game gets quite shallow after a while.