Accignite Vos on 30/7/2013 at 19:41

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If there's a thread for this, I must have missed it. Please direct me to it and I'll put all my ideas there from then on. :)

So Thief4's changes are pretty...big, for lack of a better word. Less magic, more action, none of the factions we see so far - I could go on and on. I understand it's set in an alternate Thief universe, but I also feel like, despite all the changes, it is somehow set in the same world. Someone hinted at how the lore and factions will be explained, and that was a guy called "b1skit", or something of that nature.

But onto my theory:

The Garrett in the reboot is not an alternate version of Garrett. He is a descendant of the original Garrett; by the technology level I've seen in the trailers and gameplay demos, I think the city's probably advanced a hundred or so years, so Original!Garrett is likely his great- or great-great-grandfather. Though Original!Garrett is a very celibate sort of hero, there was the time with Basso's sister, so we can say some unlucky timing meant she got pregnant with his child; a million different reasons can be made why Garrett never found out. (That is something for the writers to solve, and especially in medieval times, it's not hard.)

New!Garrett is only like his ancestor in the fact he has near-supernatural talents in stealth. Otherwise, he is cocky, brash and more willing to kill, hardened by the streets and a time of greater social turmoil; the Hammerites, zealous as they were, kept a tight lid on order in conjunction with the City Watch. It doesn't help that the Baron was away at war in the original three, and if/when he came back, he might have been there to stamp out more blatant corruption. The one in New!Garrett's time is not nearly as competent, whether by choice or sheer inability to rule.

There is also the fact of the Keepers. The Keepers are extinct; without Glyph Magic, they fell apart like an old book. As much as Garrett despised them, they did teach him one thing - the value of self-control and non-involvement. Something I noticed in Original!Garrett was just how much of the Keeper mentality stuck with him; he didn't get romantically involved (Viktoria might have been an exception, along with the very odd fling), he refused to take a side in politics or religion, he kept himself stoic and controlled, and even though he had a problem with greed, he was good at not letting his feelings get in the way. He was very much like a Keeper, except that he didn't have their beliefs in Balance. New!Garrett has not been taught to have such strict and strong emotional control, or neutral ethics; he is very much a product of his time, flashy and callous and taking pride in things like shooting an arrow through someone's eye. (Hence why you get points for headshots.) Though, in a recording session in EM promo material, he mentions not killing if he has to - which either a) suggests that he's scared enough of the guards that he feels head-shotting them sometimes is needed, or b) much like his ancestor, he can be a hypocrite. (There's probably other possibilities I'm not thinking of, too.)

The Hammerites and Pagans are both extremely low-key compared to the time of Original!Garrett. I would not be surprised if the City has entered a time where religion is not very prominent; the Baron might have silenced the Hammer order in order to "get away with nothing". With their strict, zealous codes, there is no doubt the Hammers would have gone after him, so what does he do? He plays down their influence, meddles with their politics enough to force their rule into their cloisters and churches, and generally muzzles the Hammerite bulldog. Pagans might have been eradicated altogether, as they always struck me as one of those religious groups that would be on the way out if someone Truart-ish/Karras-ish - but with more power and organization - got sufficiently mad enough at them. The collapse of Hammerite influence also means that technology is not as strictly controlled, allowing for the leaps in Victorian invention we see in Thief4.

So. There's my theory. Please feel free to pick it apart as you please. :cheeky:

ZylonBane on 30/7/2013 at 20:14

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Oh god you're one of those!people.

Goldmoon Dawn on 30/7/2013 at 23:30

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SubJeff on 31/7/2013 at 05:34

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And yet neither of us is doing what you claim we do in this thread.

AV, your thoughts would fit in with the way the discussion had gone in the other thread. Come in and join us there.

Vae on 31/7/2013 at 06:20

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Yeah, it's okay...Go for it!

...and welcome...:)

(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142059&page=2&p=2203176&viewfull=1#post2203176) Continued disscusion here