Specter on 10/7/2013 at 02:09
Quote Posted by operativex
It is up to a certain point. There is a sweet-spot in terms of skill range where the game is challenging stealth-wise.
So now the game you hold up as the shining example of Thief-y gameplay has a sweet spot? It's perfection is only for a limited time?
Myth on 10/7/2013 at 08:38
Skyrim was awesome on my first playtrough. Now I someohow never even finished the DLCs. Combat has degraded to "Crouch to activate shadow smoke thing, then backstab them in the face for 30 x damage", or if I'm feeling cheeky, bash some heads with a mace and shield because why not - gear makes all the difference and my gear is about as good as you can craft it without doing exploits with multiple potion loops.
Exploration is great but I seldom explore, I prefer having something to do so I always try to finish a quest or other. Actually the most interesting quest line for me was the Dark Brotherhood. By a long margin. Exploration in Skyrim when it's not related to a scripted quest scene usually means going in a cave or crypt and fighting draugr. Everything from killing a vampire to finding an object or whatever usually ends up with you going down in a linear dungeon, killing some draugr, to get to the macguffin.
Gabucino on 10/7/2013 at 10:18
There's a sure-fire way to discredit what you're about to say.
Just say "Skyrim".
Vivian on 10/7/2013 at 10:23
Right, either I have missed operativex's point about skyrim, or all of you guys have.
Specter on 10/7/2013 at 14:40
Quote Posted by Vivian
Right, either I have missed operativex's point about skyrim, or all of you guys have.
Quote Posted by operativex
Sounds like you never played Skyrim before, best "Thief'" game ever made. 100x more places to infiltrate, more loot, fully explorable, etc.
This is what I'm on about.
Vivian on 10/7/2013 at 17:03
Yeah. As in, 'well, if that's what you think defines a thief game, then whoah my lord is skyrim the best thief game'. Point being that isn't what defines a thief game.
Specter on 10/7/2013 at 17:11
Unless Ive mis-read what he/she has written, operativex is the one who has defined 'Thiefy' game play in shallow terms. I don't think there is any sarcasm when the poster uses Skyrim as an example.
Renault on 10/7/2013 at 17:30
This was from a guy who described Thief gameplay as "You crouch in dark corners and club people," so you can take pretty much everything he says with a massive grain of salt.
Specter on 10/7/2013 at 18:01
If he hadn't registered so long ago, or defended what he wrote, I would be inclined to take what he says much less seriously. Still, salt at the ready!
Frick on 10/7/2013 at 18:04
Quote Posted by Brethren
Playing the older games today will in some ways tarnish your image of them, given that there's been 15 years of tech improvements since they were released.
For me it's the opposite. It's the same with System Shock, Deus Ex, Thief and the old RPG classics (Fallout 1/2, Planescape: Torment..). Playing them now is even better, partly because I'm older and can apprieciate everything differently, but also because they are like cool winds on a summer day. I'm not sure what it is, but these classics have matured in a good way (install some widescreen mods and stuff and they still look good). And this is from someone who played SS for the first time in 2012 and PS:T a couple of months ago. And they blew me away with their storytelling, with the details, with the characters and ... everything. Playing the first Deus Ex after playing Human Revolution is refreshing, because it is just better and hints of a glorious future that never was.
With that said, I do agree people generally are to negative about new games, and this new Thief. I know I am. I hate pretty much everything about it, but I don't want to. I want to be innocent and young and have blue eyes that have not seen any evils. I think the trick will be to ignore it's Thief (if that is possible). Like with Human Revolution, which was a great game, but not even close to the original, and if you ignore it's supposed to be "Deus Ex" it's easier to stomach.
