I think the best punk bands are the ones that just screw around and piss people off (Fear is a great example, Anal Cunt takes it far past the point of diminishing returns). The ones that take themselves seriously I just have to put up with to get to the good music. This might be related to my aforementioned being what most punk bands hate (although I bet most are more accepting of "less talk, more rock" fans than KtMWQ). Nevertheless, I still have a zero-tolerance policy for punk-pop (I always thought of that as something of a contradiction in terms, but it makes even less sense with hardcore; what's next, grind-pop?), and no, I don't consider my stance hypocritical, I just know what I don't like. Stiff Little Fingers are alright though.

I've heard some Choking Victim, and my opinion of them is similar to that of Black Flag: nothing special, but I suppose you need to be into their politics to get much of the enjoyment from them. I haven't heard any Nausea, Morning Glory or Aus Rotten. DOA is pretty good and its been too long since I last heard the Subhumans for me to remember much about them. I haven't heard World Inferno Friendship Society (but maybe I should and try to introduce some of the people at emptyspiral.net that will dig just about any rock band with a chick singing - EDIT: Clicked on that link and I have to say, not too shabby. Another band that combines a dash of punk with a dose of soul is the Bellrays, but they're garagey rather than big band) or Bomb the Music Industry, but that name reminded me of another good punk band: Kill Your Idols. How can you argue with songs like "Only Dicks Don't Like Black Flag"? I've been told I'd probably really enjoy Leftover Crack but haven't gotten around to checking them out either.

I probably wouldn't get along with Fugazi fans very well. I prefer what I've heard of In on the Kill Taker (especially Smallpox Champion) to earlier stuff. I haven't heard any Minor Threat/Teen Idles stuff though so maybe that's why I don't have the sense of betrayal that the oh-so-serious straight-edge kids might. And there's nothing wrong with merchandising, the Misfits never would have lasted as long as they did without it. Selling out is when you sacrifice your music for broader acceptance, like Metallica did (its good that they're moving back to thrash and metal, but they forgot the part about actually being good on St. Anger).

I'm sure there are some punks that will tell me I'm just an ignorant metalhead who doesn't understand what punk really is, but they can fuck right off.

Another punk band I forgot to mention that I really enjoy is Union 13. I don't speak any Spanish, but I still like their tunes in that language. They're only marginally less comprehensible than the Oi songs I like so much!

fuckin hell there wasnt a lot of love for RBJ in that old thread! Not like today, of course.