Music of punks and skinheads. - by Bulgarian_Taffer
piln on 7/4/2006 at 04:32
Me too... first album's good but with a couple of awful songs, second album's great (and features less of the entirely crap male vocalist, thankfully). They don't sound that punky to me, but everything I've read about them seems to peg them as more punk than metal. Must be something wrong with my ears.
Quote Posted by killed
most punk fans are self righteous music nazis
No kidding... I saw some footage of fans waiting outside a Fugazi gig saying they'd "sold out" (it was the nineties :nono: ) because I guess one or two of the songs on the latest album had moved fractionally outside their taste boundaries. This was just after the release of In On The Killtaker, so god knows how those fans reacted to the last album. Quite how these people expect a band to consistently match the preconceptions of each one of their thousands of fans I do not know. And for their entire lifespan (11 years I think, maybe more) Fugazi handled all their own recording & distribution, never sold merchandise and charged $10 for every album and $5 for every gig - so calling them sellouts was particularly dumb. You're right killed, punk fans are all knobheads.
Gingerbread Man on 7/4/2006 at 06:50
I can't believe I forgot GBH and Circle Jerks. Black Flag and Dead Kennedys goes without saying, though.
But yeah, I think it's the drifting away from honest punk and into some kind of deliberately-produced-to-sound-lo-fi quasi-metal screaming shit that made me stop paying attention. Don't get I wrong, sometimes I'm all about the thrash, but thrash is not what I want in my punk.
fett on 7/4/2006 at 16:29
Hmmm...I think I didn't really pay attention to punk until it collided with metal in the late 80's. It IS hard to take much of it seriously these days because of shite like Good Charolette (sp?), Chevelle, and (I'm sorry but) Green Fucking Day. Shut the fuck up you three foot tall, green haired, snot faced whore.
Brawler150 on 7/4/2006 at 17:27
Punk music has been degrading since the 80's, with few notable exceptions. The passion and musicianship exhibited by artists like Greg Ginn of Black Flag and Jello Biafra of the DK's is being slowly buried under a sense of smugness and apathy.
Fashion is a good indicator. If you look up a picture of the old masters, they didn't look "punk" at all. Minor Threat's guitarist looked like a complete dork. He wore glasses, collared shirts, and khakis for the love of God. Rollins went shirtless with short shorts.
There are good signs in local scenes though. I've seen alot of newer bands that play ridiculously well, shattering the idea that punk guitarists are supposed to suck. I've got two friends named Emmett and Austin. They're only 15, but GODDAMN they can shred. They can play jazz, punk, metal, folk and pretty much anything else.
I think in general the problem is that punks tend to take themselves far too seriously. This leads to their perception as smug, arrogant pricks. In reality, some of the humblest and the nicest people I've met have been prominent punk elites. The lead singer of The Independents is a great guy, for example.
JACKofTrades on 8/4/2006 at 00:38
Quote Posted by fett
and (I'm sorry but) Green Fucking Day. Shut the fuck up you three foot tall, green haired, snot faced whore.
Haha, that's good, now tell us how you really feel. ;) I've always kind of liked Green Day. Granted, my musical tastes aren't that sophisticated but I've always thought they had a pretty good knack for simple, catchy melodies and I like their sound. I am curious though, what's put you off about them?
Random_Taffer on 8/4/2006 at 00:45
Quote Posted by piln
No kidding... I saw some footage of fans waiting outside a Fugazi gig saying they'd "sold out"
I recall watching Static-X answering the questions of fans on their dvd that came with Shadow Zone.
One very unpleasant fellow said.
"How do you feel about selling out?"
Wayne Static gave me a chuckle with his answer,
"Dude! Selling out is good! This show sold out, our last show sold out, and even the show before that. Selling out is great!"
:thumb:
pur3pwn3r on 9/4/2006 at 02:44
learn to love metallica and slayer. that all i have to say
TheGreatGodPan on 9/4/2006 at 20:44
I think the best punk bands are the ones that just screw around and piss people off (Fear is a great example, Anal Cunt takes it far past the point of diminishing returns). The ones that take themselves seriously I just have to put up with to get to the good music. This might be related to my aforementioned being what most punk bands hate (although I bet most are more accepting of "less talk, more rock" fans than KtMWQ). Nevertheless, I still have a zero-tolerance policy for punk-pop (I always thought of that as something of a contradiction in terms, but it makes even less sense with hardcore; what's next, grind-pop?), and no, I don't consider my stance hypocritical, I just know what I don't like. Stiff Little Fingers are alright though.
I've heard some Choking Victim, and my opinion of them is similar to that of Black Flag: nothing special, but I suppose you need to be into their politics to get much of the enjoyment from them. I haven't heard any Nausea, Morning Glory or Aus Rotten. DOA is pretty good and its been too long since I last heard the Subhumans for me to remember much about them. I haven't heard World Inferno Friendship Society (but maybe I should and try to introduce some of the people at emptyspiral.net that will dig just about any rock band with a chick singing - EDIT: Clicked on that link and I have to say, not too shabby. Another band that combines a dash of punk with a dose of soul is the Bellrays, but they're garagey rather than big band) or Bomb the Music Industry, but that name reminded me of another good punk band: Kill Your Idols. How can you argue with songs like "Only Dicks Don't Like Black Flag"? I've been told I'd probably really enjoy Leftover Crack but haven't gotten around to checking them out either.
I probably wouldn't get along with Fugazi fans very well. I prefer what I've heard of In on the Kill Taker (especially Smallpox Champion) to earlier stuff. I haven't heard any Minor Threat/Teen Idles stuff though so maybe that's why I don't have the sense of betrayal that the oh-so-serious straight-edge kids might. And there's nothing wrong with merchandising, the Misfits never would have lasted as long as they did without it. Selling out is when you sacrifice your music for broader acceptance, like Metallica did (its good that they're moving back to thrash and metal, but they forgot the part about actually being good on St. Anger).
I'm sure there are some punks that will tell me I'm just an ignorant metalhead who doesn't understand what punk really is, but they can fuck right off.
Another punk band I forgot to mention that I really enjoy is Union 13. I don't speak any Spanish, but I still like their tunes in that language. They're only marginally less comprehensible than the Oi songs I like so much!
Bulgarian_Taffer on 9/4/2006 at 21:11
Is Anal cunt punk?!?
Kalit on 9/4/2006 at 21:24
Quote Posted by TheGreatGodPan
Nevertheless, I still have a zero-tolerance policy for punk-pop (I always thought of that as something of a contradiction in terms, but it makes even less sense with hardcore; what's next, grind-pop?),
Hardcore and pop punk rules sooo much. What's contradicting about it? Or are you one of those who thinks hardcore is just brutal metal? Sure, I guess the names are a little contradicting, but that's it. And you should definately listen to Minor Threat, I could never get into Fugazi, but Minor Threat is awesome. The only other thing that I liked from the members of Minor Threat is Bad Religion (bassist from Minor Threat), I never liked any other bands from them.
