june gloom on 30/3/2019 at 10:37
Way to show your power level, Tony.
Tocky on 30/3/2019 at 16:54
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
The problem isn't "libruls". In fact I fail to see what's liberal about advocating wholesale murder of political opposition the way many on the American left do. I've even tried posting on some left wing Facebook groups advocating murdering conservatives to see what reaction I'd get and I was stunned both by the violent rhetoric I could get away with as well as how many people agreed with the sentiment and openly supported it.
It's more a practical matter of...ya know....
Not living next to people who want to kill you.
You must be going on right wing sites and then substituting the word right for left. Only you don't have to. All you would have to do is go on regular facebook to see the violence advocated by the right. Your side has all the guns and makes no bones about itching to use them. And then you get on here and play victim. You have no shame. I wrote my story for you. Surely you read it while cowering in your bunker because the evil left is coming to get you. Unfortunately you are already so ridiculous it's hard to exaggerate for effect. It's like how The Onion is having a hard time doing satire these days because it is too close to the truth no matter how they attempt to stretch the delusion on the right to make it humor.
There are a few examples of the left being violent but when there is such a plethora of it on the right it isn't surprising we would see some few cases. Mostly it's a case of the right loaded down with weapons and either striking out or threatening to and then when the left reaches up to hold the bump the right just made on the lefts head the right flinches and shouts "See I told you they were violent! He was going to hit me!"
Please stop going to right wing hate sites where they exaggerate the violence of the left, Tony, or we will see you in the news one day because some leftie coughed and you accidentally shot them in your paranoia.
Tony_Tarantula on 31/3/2019 at 18:43
Clearly your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't go to "right wing hate sites". I skim Facebook groups (which bans "right wing hate") to keep a gauge on sentiment.
There's been multiple times where I've gone on pages like Occupy Democrats and advocated for positions like killing Republicans and White people just to see what kind of reaction I get. Nobody disagreed, I didn't get banned, and I got multiple likes and statements of agreement. It kind of scared the shit out of me because I realized that
These people actually thought what I was advocating was saneI also don't need to go to them when multiple right here in this thread are calling for killing right wingers pre-emptively. Only a few pages ago Dethtoll called for "lining them up against [a wall]". I see a lot of top voted comments by people openly calling to kill Republicans on most left wing facebook sites I look at, whereas on right wing sites those people tend to get dogpiled by the rest of the group.
I'm willing to make a bet with you. $50 USD. I put your choice of a Hillary or Sanders bumper sticker on my car. You put one in support of the Republican party on yours (does NOT even have to be a Trump sticker).
First one of us to experience harassment or vandalism loses the bet. I know for sure as hell it's not going to be me having a DNC sticker on my car, whereas you're likely to get your vehicle vandalized or get someone screaming in your face within the first week.
It's not me who is "so ridiculous it's hard to generate for effect". I am advocating peaceful separation whereas your side is advocating murdering the opposition right here in this thread. By any objective measure your side is the one's that's crazy here. So far from casual skimming I'm counting two posters (Dethtoll and Gryzmius) who have called for killing political opposition.
Re: Gryzmius:
Your individual points aren't worth individually addressing because they're based on ideas that are factually wrong.
Example: Americans aren't "uniquely xenophobic". According to Pew Research a greater of Americans support increased immigration than do people in most European countries: (
https://www.axios.com/immigration-levels-pew-poll-world-us-japan-canada-b20fa56e-5413-4227-bbb3-4b3269a6d6d8.html)
edit: Clarification is I wasn't actually trying to troll those left wing groups. I slowly escalated trying to test the waters to see where the left's Overton window ends. At first I was moderately surprised because when I posted in support of Trump dying nobody told me off for being too extreme and I actually got support. I escalated a bit further saying it would be a good thing if white people were killed off and.....NOBODY called me out. I got a lot of likes and about a 15 long page response of people expressing agreement except for one person who insulted another in that thread (and promptly got banned). At that point it went from interesting to terrifying.
I've also had multiple left wingers threaten to kill me for posting articles skeptical of the Russian collusion narrative.
Tocky on 1/4/2019 at 00:55
Your very thought patterns are those of Bannon style right wing sites. You consistently ignore the damage the right does in favor of some words emoted from the left in response to that damage. THIS VERY THREAD for instance. You come here to tell us how afraid you are that the left may one day strike back as badly as the right. OMG they threaten to! Dude. I just overlook most of the rights words like when they say they will shoot Mexicans off the wall who try to climb it and other ignorant crap. I guarantee I can find way more right wing violence but I'm not about to search for it because that shit is anathema to decent living. It's why I don't go on 4 chan.
Your side has all the guns so why are you such a coward? Quit pissing your pants so much and consider that the response to a right wing nut killing a lot of those he considers the enemy and the rest of us just consider women and children and innocents besides is to vent a bit over what an asshole he is and sure maybe we shouldn't say up against the wall but it's not like a song wasn't written about that decades ago.
Consider too that there was another who pulled a Chicken Little about a left/right race war. He was so sure it was coming. Charles Manson. Of course these days folks like Bannon are attempting to start a world wide movement to scare up one so you may have a point but what are you so worried about? You are in his camp anyway. Grow some balls.
Tony_Tarantula on 3/4/2019 at 12:28
Haven't really had a chance to go into more depth to explain the rationale since this week is hell (we're way behind on the current project I'm on which is impacting implementation), but here's something to ponder.
Let's think pragmatism. Let us assume that everyone is 100% correct and it really is the right whic is ultra violent (historically not true, the right instigates international conflict and the left instigates domestic unrest usually).
Does it ducking matter who starts it? No matter who fires the first shot major urban, “diverse” areas are going to be an extremely bad place to be in a crisis due to our reliance on easily disrupted “just in time” supply chains, dependency on electronics, and highly inflamed racial tensions in the current era of group identity politics.
End result is the same no matter where you want to assign blame and so don't really see anyone disagreeing with my assessment that some kind of conflict is likely, just taking umbrage with me thinking the left is more likely to instigate it. I actually think the first shot will be fired by the right but that will come after a LOT of provocation and oppressive use of the bureaucracy against official “bad” groups of people.
Tony_Tarantula on 3/4/2019 at 13:05
You're also attempting to make a slanderous comparison between me and the shooters trying to insinuate I'm the next one in the making.
The comparison is ludicrous for several reasons. First off is that none of these guys understood violence or had any experience with it. In my case I'm a Purple Heart veteran who has seen death up close in ways far more violent than even anything "violent movies" portray.
Second is that I'm not a lonely guy with no future. I have what most in that sphere consider impossible. I have a beautiful and feminine wife who is one of the best people I've ever met, an utterly charming kid with more on the way, a graduate degree from an institution that's top 20 in my field, and I work for a firm that's highly regarded enough I'm getting hit up by recruiters and people "wanting to learn a bit more about the company" usually multiple times a week.
I have a LOT of skin in the game and my primary motivation is to ensure that my family isn't going to be caught up in a situation that resembles Paris under Robespierre. I'm also particularly sensitive to this given my Jewish/Polish background: the only reason my family exists is that they left Poland when things looked like they were going to get bad in Europe.
The violent people on either side are angry because they feel disenfranchised, and they very often actually are. There's a shrinking number of career positions that can support a family, people who you can have a stable family with, ethical systems that aren't deconstruct and communities that you would want to have a family live in. I don't sympathize with their solution to the problem (I believe that you always should fight to make things better no matter how bad the odds), but if I chuck my emotions out the window temporarily to analyze the phenomenon I can definitely see the factors causing it. We get an end result of lonely, frustrated, nihilistic people so no shit some of them are going to flip out.
It's important to realize this cuts both ways. The right is too stupid/blinkered to realize that black disenfranchisement and police brutality actually are real, and the left is too stupid/blinkered to realize that the disenfranchisement of rural whites actually is real too.
You can see a microcosm of this in places like Prison where the guards will deliberately try to do things to stir up racial tension in order to prevent the prison population from successfully working as a group to force improved conditions.
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Your side has all the guns so why are you such a coward? Quit pissing your pants so much and consider that the response to a right wing nut killing a lot of those he considers the enemy and the rest of us just consider women and children and innocents besides is to vent a bit over what an asshole he is and sure maybe we shouldn't say up against the wall but it's not like a song wasn't written about that decades ago.
A: Most of them are cowardly LARPers with delusions of grandeur. There's numerous incidents where the response of the right wingers with guns was to stay home. In the Bundy incident they all scattered the moment shit got real. I've observed frequently in real life that the people who talk a lot of shit aren't the ones you need to worry about.
B: You have a child's understanding of what is "cowardly" and what isn't. I literally led survivors out of an IED attack through a mined area walking single file behind me so I don't think you understand jack shit about heroism and cowardice. I have chosen what I want to protect and it isn't some bullshit ideological movement either "right" or "left" nor do I have any illusions about my (nonexistent) ability to influence the grand scheme of events.
C: I oppose your solutions because they are likely to cause MORE violence and not less. What you advocate only strengthens the feedback loop that creates radicalized white nationalists.
If you actually believe the right is more violent then feel free to take me up on my bet.
Starker on 3/4/2019 at 19:54
You're only talking about your irrational fears of what leftists might do, Tony. Go on and bring me an actual example where an extremist liberal murdered dozens of conservative children or massacred people of a different religion. Cause this is the current reality where far right terrorism far, far outstrips any and all left-wing terrorism. Leftists are not the ones who fantasise about a civil war. They are not the ones talking about the day of the rope. It's the white supremacists and the "South will rise again" types. You say that they are all talk, but there are plenty of examples, this thread included, where people have died due to radical right-wing extremists.
Tocky on 4/4/2019 at 00:12
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
End result is the same no matter where you want to assign blame and so don't really see anyone disagreeing with my assessment that some kind of conflict is likely, just taking umbrage with me thinking the left is more likely to instigate it. I actually think the first shot will be fired by the right but that will come after a LOT of provocation and oppressive use of the bureaucracy against official “bad” groups of people.
Make no mistake when I say it this time:
I disagree with you. We
are not heading toward a civil war between right and left. Not unless those on the right develop such a paranoia that they get tired of waiting to use all those guns they are stock piling and begin to institute it in an organized fashion. That is where Bannon and the white supremacists are attempting to force the issue. It won't work. It has never worked. Intelligent people who know history in the US know it won't. The worst it has ever gotten during the period of MOST disenfranchisement was the Watts riots. The only people who think it WILL happen are the nuts. And while it is true there are quite a few more right wing nuts being worked into a frenzy by Storm Front and other white supremacist organizations lately it STILL will not work. Oh sure, you have some left people willing to stand up to them when they march but mostly even then it is just shouting.
STOP BEING PARANOID. That is no way to go through life. If you have led folks through land mines then that is the worst it will get. I'm not saying to go through south Chicago shouting racial epithets with your wife and kids at midnight on a Saturday but this crap about race war/right-left war is NOT going to happen. If you just try talking with black folks or lefties then you will understand 99% are good folks. Black or white you always have to watch out for the 1% but it's real important to remember they are 1%. And yes, if you are as paranoid as you have been making yourself out to be then you ARE a potential disaster in the making.
Your crap about Occupy Democrats is bullshit. No doubt most who saw your baiting ignored it. The few likes you got were the angry folks most of whom would not think of carrying any violence out. I've checked out both Occupy Democrats and Occupy Republicans and both sites are nothing to worry about. Hell, I had someone track down my home address and post a picture of my home for just defending Elizabeth Warren on her home page. I think I struck too close to home when I labeled them a paid troll and likely a member of the Internet Research Agency. To make matters worse, Face Book not only sided with the perps and warned me not to harass them but refused to take down the post with my address. Did I listen? Fuck no. I created new accounts every day with which to report that fucktard until he DID take it down. Am I ranting about a world race war being immanent and buying loads of guns? Fuck no. I've got my front door wide open right now. I'm going to close it soon because of mosquitoes though.
Lastly, I'm old, so I do not have a child's definition of cowardice. I've lived quite a bit. I may have a child's impulsiveness but I know what paranoia is. YOU have it. So do a lot of white folks. You magnify differences in your mind until you are certain a war is coming. What I mind is not those individuals who are paranoid, though they are annoying, it's those willing to lie and make movies and spread fear and loathing on the internet and go to meetings with other paranoids and get folks stirred up over imagined slights and the fear of whitey being toppled from the pedestal he has put himself on. THOSE are the real danger to society. Try not to be one of them. Try not to let Bannon and his nuts become a reality by joining them.
Starker on 4/4/2019 at 06:23
Quote Posted by Tocky
I've checked out both Occupy Democrats and Occupy Republicans and both sites are nothing to worry about.
Well, yes, but that's only because Tony wasn't there to make a point about violent leftists by pretending to be leftist and urging violence against Republicans and white people.
