catbarf on 25/3/2019 at 15:04
Quote Posted by icemann
Well the reasoning being that it works. In all countries where they banned the types of guns used in massacres, such crimes were eliminated almost entirely.
Well, we've had several school shootings carried out without 'assault weapons', including during our national assault weapons ban. And there are countries, mostly developing ones, that have issues with massacres despite heavy restrictions or outright bans on firearm ownership altogether. I'd say that the context matters a lot, and a country already awash with legal guns, illegal guns, organized crime, and social decay is much less likely to see success than one that is relatively gun-free and stable to start with.
In the US, gun control is dominated by the buzzword-laden focus on specific categories of weapons, and so far it hasn't seemed to be a productive approach. Focusing instead on holistic regulation alongside social welfare seems more effective- the Czech Republic seems a good example, with fewer weapon restrictions than many US states, but all firearms equivalently regulated under a comprehensive scheme. They focus more on keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them to begin with, along with the social welfare to head off the reasons people turn violent to begin with, and it seems to work for them.
To that point, I hope that while instituting these new policies, the NZ government takes a serious look at how the shooter was able to acquire his weapons in the first place. I believe New Zealand's gun licensing scheme involves a background check and personal references (who vouched for him?), and the shooter's social media accounts were full of red flags.
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
The constitution doesn't say anything about what type of gun you are allowed to have. You can't own cannons or bomber-jets of nuclear arms. So there is already a limitation on the type of weapon you can own. It's simple. Only allow simple hunting rifles. At least a meter long. Only one bullet in the gun at a time. Manual reload.
The 1934 National Firearms Act which forms the backbone of our gun control upheld that the purpose of the 2nd is to allow citizens to be armed comparably to soldiers, so we'd need a Constitutional amendment to repeal the 2nd Amendment entirely. And under the current climate, a repeal of the 2nd would be exactly the thing to trigger full-blown violent conflict as Renz was saying. Plus there are states and local police forces explicitly unwilling to carry out anything of the sort- have a look at (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_Sanctuary) Second Amendment Sanctuaries. I don't think it's quite so simple.
Tony_Tarantula on 28/3/2019 at 02:33
Hey Gryzmius and Dethtoll, at least SOMEONE out there has the stomach to do what you guys only advocate.
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https://godfatherpolitics.com/three-left-wing-college-students-arrested-for-setting-conservative-students-dorm-on-fire/)
Clearly the real problem with society is that we just aren't killing enough Right wingers. If we just kill all the hateful people then finally things can be good.
Right?
*****
Remember in the other thread when I said I'm planning a strategic relocation?
This is why. We've got multiple people in this thread openly calling for murder. These people here are also not even remotely The most leftist people out there so I guarantee that there are a LOT of people who feel that way currently. The frenzy will be even exponentially crazier once they're back In political power and something triggers a mob instinct.
I think the potential for a “reign of terror” type event in blue cities isn't entirely far fetched at this point. I would also warn that being a really, really good “Ally” isn't going to save you if that happens.
Tony_Tarantula on 28/3/2019 at 02:40
Also you all in the “Hurr Durr whites R most racist people's in all of history” really have no clue and are ironically enough demonstrating a blitheringly Eurocentric worldview. This view that all of history is white dominated is self flattering bullshit.
[video=youtube_share;X-vdp25kIEk]https://youtu.be/X-vdp25kIEk[/video]
Also fun fact: the Muslim regions were imperialist for CENTURIES before Europe was. They also ran a slave trade estimated to be 20 times the size of the European slave trade, and one that directly caused said European slave trade because the logistics were already in place.
Tocky on 28/3/2019 at 02:46
LOL. Not to condone it but did you actually LOOK at the fire? Why if he had gone outside at just the right time and touched just the right place he would surely have died of the infection from the blister he got. Somebody used a lighter to burn a hole in the sign he had on the outside of his door. If you need a tissue to cry about those evil liberals I can dig up an unburned one for you. I mean, if you can quit oiling your gun long enough.
Phatose on 28/3/2019 at 03:13
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
Also fun fact: the Muslim regions were imperialist for CENTURIES before Europe was. They also ran a slave trade estimated to be 20 times the size of the European slave trade, and one that directly caused said European slave trade because the logistics were already in place.
Did they also invent time machines? Cause Islam was founded 600 or so years after the undeniably imperialist, undeniably European Roman empire.
Tocky on 28/3/2019 at 03:22
To be fair he did say Muslim regions which is true. They did have slaves in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia and those regions. All over really. We have been being dicks a long time and not just in Europe but that does not excuse any racism going on now by any means.
Renzatic on 28/3/2019 at 04:06
Godfather Politics, huh? No wonder you're so wired all the time. Most far right news sites like that hype people up by talking endlessly about the violence committed by THOSE DASTARDLY IMMIGRANTS, giving everyone who reads them the impression that we're all besieged by roving brown hoards and their white apologist friends.
It's like how the Trump administration wanted the states the compile lists of all the crimes committed by illegals over a certain period of time. Texas was the first to step up to the plate, showing the death, rape, and assault tolls committed by the border jumpers over a 7 year period. It was immediately spammed all over my Facebook page. People screaming "LOOK AT ALL THE THOUSANDS OF RED BLOODED AMERICANS WHO HAVE DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE MEXI-MENACE! WE ARE BEING INVADED! BUILD THAT WALL!"
...so I looked it all up, contrasted it with the usual yearly crime reports to see what's what. It ends up that illegal immigrant violence only makes up around 1/10th of the overall crime rate. In fact, the amount of crimes committed during that 7 years by the illegals only just managed to be comparable to what our born and raised red blooded Americans committed in Texas in one.
I mentioned this little factoid, and, of course, I got called a libtard brainwashed by the MSM. Like I should've expected anything else. Fuck me, right?
Of course this doesn't mean that liberals don't do stupid shit, or that all illegals are just folk just trying their best to mind their own business. Every demographic has their fair share of assholes. No one's exempt from this. All things considered, I'd say there are roughly as many far-left asshole liberals doing shit like setting a conservative's room on fire simply for being conservative as there are alt-right folk curb stomping the minorities in back alleys across America. My point is that if the news sites you read ONLY talk about liberal violence, ONLY talk about illegal crime sprees, then you're gonna come away with the false impression that liberals are going off the deep end, while green card lacking rape gangs roam our border states.
Then you'll become a victim of your own hyperactive ideology, like Tony and his friends.
Starker on 28/3/2019 at 04:52
Quote Posted by Tocky
LOL. Not to condone it but did you actually LOOK at the fire? Why if he had gone outside at just the right time and touched just the right place he would surely have died of the infection from the blister he got. Somebody used a lighter to burn a hole in the sign he had on the outside of his door. If you need a tissue to cry about those evil liberals I can dig up an unburned one for you. I mean, if you can quit oiling your gun long enough.
LOL indeed. At first I thought, this is really bad, a whole conservative dorm was set on fire? Those liberal bastards! Someone could have died!
Then I scrolled down from the headline and saw that it was only a dorm room. Well, this is still pretty bad, but not nearly as bad as the whole building being set on fire. Those liberal bastards! Someone could have died!
Then I scrolled further down and saw that it was actually the dorm room door that was set on fire. Okay. Er... those liberal bastards? I mean, it's not really nearly as bad as setting a dorm on fire, but sure, it could potentially have resulted in a bigger fire and is certainly threatening.
Then I went and looked at another (conservative media) article and it turned out that it wasn't even the dorm room door that was set on fire, it was just a sign on the door. Okay, sure, those sign burning liberal bastards may have potentially caused the door to catch on fire and this could potentially have resulted in a bigger fire. I guess they are kind of bastards still?
So then I dug up a picture on another article and turns out it was really just a piece of paper partly burned and leaving some minor marks on the door. Wait, what? That's what the whole brouhaha was all about?
Also, wait a minute, who exactly determined the political allegiance of those piece of paper burning liberals in the first place?
But there you have it, a piece of paper was burned and Tony is planning a strategic relocation. Those evil liberals! Surely this is just as bad as the other time when a refugee burnt a piece of toast and racist right-wingers were going around screaming arson.
This is by no means an isolated incident either, it's been part of a whole pattern to dupe gullible people like Tony:
[video=youtube;r9qiCN7CcB8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9qiCN7CcB8[/video]
Draxil on 28/3/2019 at 05:25
nevermind.
Renzatic on 28/3/2019 at 05:57
Well hell, I gave Tony the benefit of the doubt, and assumed that maybe some liberals did set a kid's room on fire. But if the story was blown that far out of proportion, well hell, that's some egg on some face.
I still stand by my assertion that anyone can be an asshole, though.