GUFF on 20/3/2019 at 11:42

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Yes but this thread's contents and every discussion I've seen on this since the event tells you that good faith debates about the topics related to why the shooter claims he did what he did and the contents of his manifesto, some of which are very legitimate issues but an honest debate is literally never going to happen. Someone is just going to fulminate and call the other side a white supremacist, fascist or some other thought-terminate cliche and then obviously no actual debate will take place because it's just starting from a default starting place of "I'm right and the other side is just pure evil."

No one is going to have a good faith debate about demography and its implications, about self-determination of peoples without being imposed-upon and subjugated by others in a best-case scenario, about ethno-religious loyalties of the enormous millions of people pouring into the western world those implications, especially in a multiracial democracy which is just a racial head count at the ballot; about the fact that this is on the backdrop of probably 100+ Islamic terrorist attacks in the western world that have piled up bodycounts now in the thousands (oh, and organized sex slavery rings by imported men of foreign ancestry that have passed around upwards of one million or more European girls like pieces of meat in Europe--the euphemistic grooming gangs), that no mass movement of human populations in recorded history has ever ended in anything but mass bloodshed at some point, or even the hypocrisy of the response of this attack vs. the aforementioned Islamic attacks.

So things will continue to get worse and I'm guessing totalitarian police states to manage the contradictions and the paralysis inflicted by nobody being able to even just talk about these issues in a real way will occur, and the same kinds of atrocities, mountains of corpses and mass graves that communism spawned last century will be the result of the Very Smart People who assure you that they can just socially engineer away evolved human nature like they tried to with the New Marxist Man and that all of the evolutionists who predicted all of these outcomes (like they did with communism) and warned against them are just Very Bad Bigots With Bad Thoughts who should probably be thrown in prison or even killed for so much as thinking them, since the social engineering types are the ones who hold power right now and are continuing to barrel ahead with the policies creating this clash of civilizations and races which is playing out again exactly as the evolutionists predicted it would.

Politics are so incredibly gay and I hate that because everything is so politicized these days I've had to listen to both sides of this and many other issues over the past decade as things have gone from bad to worse, but I have to say the nationalistic side of the debate makes more sense to me in terms of reducing over conflict and potential for really, really bad things to happen the world over. As the saying goes, they tried to warn you but you wouldn't listen.

GUFF on 20/3/2019 at 13:03

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Except the great replacement it is real. Something that is mathematically provable is not a myth. If say, Canada, and I'll use this as an example since I was born there, has gone from being a 98% European population country in the 1960s census when my parents were young to being about 70% today, projected to be <50% by 2036 and is in free-fall with a birth rate in that racial cohort far below the basic maintenance rate to keep its current numbers, then it is absolutely true that this population on current course is headed for extinction, especially when you consider the factors of continued influx and social engineering via wealth/opportunity redistribution/promotion of mixing/etc. which has worked to tank the birth rates below basic needed 2.1 children per woman born to the group to just keep the current numbers afloat. This assures this population will suffer a total genetic genocide given enough time, especially if people such as those who write for rags like the Guardian who've been raised on a mother's milk of hatred for people of that racial background continues as they become a minority. That is the basis of the great replacement argument as it's been presented to me and it is fairly ironclad. Saying it's not real because you want it to happen or because you would like to play word games and redefine what a European ("white people") in the way someone would rewrite history in an Orwell novel does not change this fact.

Things get worse when you consider that in every country this is happening in, radicals like yourself (and you are one) are arguing that anyone who is against this process is some sort of morally inferior unperson who should be caged at best or just killed and in any case you don't have to consider anything the other side is saying. You seem like the type of insufferable activist type of person I've dealt with who will approach random people in public and screech about how evil white people are and nonsense conspiracy theories like white privilege (in countries where the only on-the-books discrimination is against people of European ancestries, no less) but won't consider this to be hate or any kind of demonization of an identifiable group of people. On a long enough timeline, how well do you think that European ancestry population will fare as a racial minority in a country stuffed with people like yourself who didn't even form these ideas you have about this population group on your own and have gotten them through the public schooling system and/or some workplace training struggle session where you swallowed them uncritically.

You can debate these things in good faith or you can just scream epithets and smugly think yourself righteous, but the problems don't disappear and more of these things are probably just going to keep happening as more and more disaffected people notice they are effectively being dispossessed and ethnically cleansed by a set of government policy they never voted for (in a supposed democracy no less) which came from the top down. I'm willing to bet though that you would find this type of policy monstrous say in a place like Tibet. In fact I remember people saying what China was doing to Tibet was evil and indeed a genocide policy.

Evolutionists would give you an analogy here that what you're doing with this immigration policy is like setting 2 types of animals that are natural enemies in a cage and acting surprised when they fight and kill each other. Maybe something to think about.

Phatose on 20/3/2019 at 13:39

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Going by percentages of the population is a misdirection - if you have 10 white beads, and you add 10 black beads the white bead population falls as a percentage from 100% to 50%, with zero change in actual number.

I'd wager falling birth rates have to do with economic situation, not some engineered attempt to wipe out any ethnic group. Living standards go up, birth rates go down. Once the living standard goes up, people prioritize keeping that standard over breeding, which means they only have children when they can afford them. If you want to keep your population up, first concern should be making sure that population can afford to have 2 kids per couple. So, where can I find the attempts by people worried about replacement making efforts to stabilize the economic situation at a place where having multiple children is doable for most couples? Cause I don't see that at all - and without it, I doubt the intentions have anything to actually do with keeping the current population demographics.

GUFF on 20/3/2019 at 14:24

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The argument is that the combination of flooding the country with unending immigration, instituting polices like affirmative action regimes and promoting and pressuring mixing with various policies and state propaganda constitutes a deliberate set of social engineering with this end effect in mind. The fact that people in the political establishment call those against these policies that have this end effect of lowering the birthrate epithets doesn't help with the perception that this is a deliberate form of biological warfare being waged with immigration. This for example came out of Canadian taxpayers' pockets, and is state-funded propaganda that is not unambiguous in what it is saying:

[video=youtube;Wb55teb1gJ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb55teb1gJ0[/video]

There is also the matter that a democracy which as Lee Kuan Yew pointed out in running Singapore becomes a racial headcount and you can end up at the mercy of whatever population(s) end up a majority under the current regime policies, which right now looks like a coalition voting against your interests in every country I've seen data for since virtually all groups will bloc vote. The immigration itself in this case acts as voter disenfranchisement and steals control of a people's destiny and ability to decide their own laws and policies away from it.

As far as economies go, mass influxes of people drive up the prices on housing and other necessities--it's why Vancouver is now one of the most expensive places in the world, and it crunches down on wages. Supply and demand is a pretty basic law of economics and applies here as well. The other economic issue is economic globalism that was sold in the 1960s with the "free trade" ideas and trickle-down nonsense. Outsourcing/offshoring is a one-way conveyor belt of resources out of a country and only capital benefits by pocketing the difference they save by exploiting sweatshop labor. The country which is being de-industrialized doesn't benefit and in fact tends to end up becoming poorer as a whole, only certain individuals within it become richer which doesn't trickle down, it just gets pocketed. Every single country that has been hit with this mass immigration and an economic "free trade" regime has gone hundreds of billions to trillions in debt and has had every marker for quality of life drop.

Nameless Voice on 20/3/2019 at 18:52

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I wish people would stop with this false equivalency, where they talk of "both sides".

Racism is not a side. It is not a valid political view. It is a dangerous and despicable attitude that crops up in an alarming number of places, both on the left and on the right.

The other side of racism is just being a normal person, who doesn't base their decisions on unfounded hatred of others just because they are different from themselves.


You can subscribe to either right-wing or left-wing politics without being racist, sexist, or any other kind of bigot.