aguywhoplaysthief on 14/12/2007 at 17:31
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
Baseball is the only sport in America worth a shit.
Football? College basketball? No?
Biohazard on 14/12/2007 at 18:05
Quote Posted by Starrfall
I don't think it's illegal outside of baseball. Go to your doctor and ask him about it.
That's actually not really correct. Using HGH is illegal with a prescription, like many other prescription medications. If players are going to doctors and paying them to prescribe medications, then they are breaking the law and can go to jail for it along with the doctors.
There are various reasons for making HGH a prescription medication, but I believe the biggest is a weak correlation to roid rage and a stronger correlation to addiction.
Starrfall on 14/12/2007 at 20:16
That's what I meant, I just wasn't that clear. Go to your doctor because if you want HGH you need him to prescribe it.
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
Almost everyone named in the report basically came from one source (the New York dealer). The report itself mentions that while it was important to release the investigative results, the list really doesn't mean much given the vast number of players who have been using it.
Ok I'll be more specific here too then: the evidence against Jack Cust is pretty shaky so he's still a good guy. :D
Also despite what the report says, sports blogs are already full of people going SEE I KNEW PLAYER X WAS CLEAN
Malygris on 15/12/2007 at 03:27
I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to this "scandal" (if an athlete wants to juice himself into impotence and premature death in the name of "performance," it's perfectly okay by me) but isn't it the case that MLB didn't actually have a policy regarding the use of steroids and such until recently, meaning that in at least some of these cases, there was technically no cheating going on anyway?
Mingan on 15/12/2007 at 04:41
Apparently, MLB introduced anti-drugs rules back in 2002, but only began testing in 2004. And then they weren't testing a whole lot of people. Also, as Starr hinted at, HGH is apparently one of the hardest to detect drugs.
Malygris on 15/12/2007 at 06:31
A more eloquent baseball fan than I has pointed out that while we're busy trying to put the screws to Bonds, Giambi and co., nobody seems to mind that guys like Gaylord Perry and Don Sutton are securely ensconced in the Hall of Fame.
Why is that?
Jason Moyer on 15/12/2007 at 13:43
Or meth kings like Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Willie Stargell. People like to focus on steroids as having this horrible effect on baseball, largely due to the coincidental increase in offense (which, and no one seems to understand this outside of maybe Bill James, has been holding steady since 1993), but baseball's real drug problem for 50 years was the seemingly management-approved use of speed. I'm pretty sure most workplaces would be in a heap of shit if they had coffee pots labeled "leaded" and "unleaded" to let people know if they were spiked with illegal stimulants or not.
Ko0K on 17/12/2007 at 05:38
Personally, I think it's too bad that names were mentioned. I admit that drug use in competitive sports is hardly news, but I thought of this as a reminder that these are the monsters we create. I personally take the good with the bad, and think overall that baseball has a lot going for it.
