Angel Dust on 18/2/2008 at 10:01
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Kirk Hammet isn't even trying anymore- he was only really good when he was playing the shit Dave Mustaine wrote anyway-
I agree with most of what you said dethtoll but I'd just like to correct something that many people seem to think. Firstly Dave hardly wrote any of the solos that Kirk played on 'Kill Em All' (that's a good things since they are pretty awful. One I know for sure he wrote was the fast one in 'The Four Horseman' since he used it in a Megadeth song) and Dave Mustaine is not really any better than Kirk Hammet. I don't rate Kirk very highly at all and most of his solos are pretty uninspired but nowhere near as bad as alot of Dave Mustaines. Mustaines idea of a solo seems to be play the same pentatonic patterns over and over moving it up a couple of frets every measure usually climaxing with the old whole-step bends at the 22nd fret. Hammet has been guilty of the same thing but it is usually used at the climax of the solo (eg 'Fade to black') and he atleast tries to do something melodic at the start. I find it cringe inducing listening to Megadeth songs where Mustaine trades licks with Friedman. He is so outclassed it is embarassing. I realise they wanted contrasting styles and Mustaine is supposed to be the 'rockin pentatonic' counter to Friedmans more exotic flavourings but Mustaine has a very limited lick vocabulary. Mustaine does play at higher tempos than Hammet but he is so god damned sloppy at those speeds it does't mean much.
Edit: Lars does indeed suck but they never used a machine on the albums. The 'Dyers Eve' drumtrack was pieced together from many live takes which is just as bad.
PigLick on 18/2/2008 at 14:20
Shug, I love you like a brother, but load et al were shit. Justice for All was probably the pinnacle as far as their whole deal coming together into this amazingly compressed dry sound, I mean wheres the reverb. The guys in the band hated it apparently but I think it was the best they have achieved. SCOOPED MIDS. The Black album was decent, much more bass depth in the sound, also it made a lot of people go into their back catalogue and discover more music, which is never a bad thing.
The only reason mustaine got solos on Rust in Peace and Countdown to Extinction were because he was some kind of asshole who had to have his bit. Well, i hope so anyway.
anyone interested in Marty Friedman should search youtube for 'rock fujiyama'
fett on 18/2/2008 at 14:52
My wife loves everything from the Black album on up, I like everything from the Black album back. I think I'd have more respect from Load/Re-load if they had been a new band I'd never heard before. On repeated listens, the songs aren't *that* band, and I even like a few of them, but it's just hard to listen and think these are the guys who did Damage Inc. and For Whom the Bells Tolls. It's like watching a once athletic uncle in the beginning stages of Alzheimer's and arthritis. You respect him, but he's not what he once was.
Edit: Also if I see one more person suck Cliff Buton's dick I'm gonna puke. The man was not a god. Somewhere along the way we've adopted the thinking that dead=legend or even dead=good musician. Cliff Burton was a great bass player, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand why he's objectified as he is. Is it because Metallica started to change with AJFA? I've news for the fanboys - Burton wasn't driving that train. I remember as far back as Master of Puppets, reading interviews with Hetfield and Ulrich and them discussing that Hetfields favorite band was Lynyrd Skynyrd, and how they'd love to get Bob Rock to produce at some point. That's when the train switched tracks for station St. Anger - not when or because Burton died. Newstead had fuck all to say about the songwriting or direction the band took, and from the looks of it, neither did Burton (or Hemmet for that matter). If you watch the 'year in the life of' videos (making of the black album) it's very clear that Hetfield and Ulrich consider the other two members all but disposable, and the pecking order is very clear. Metallica would have made the Load album with or without Burton.
What I'm saying is that the blame for "Unforgiven II" and "That shit song for the MI:2 soundtrack" lays squarely at the feet of James Hetfield.
PigLick on 18/2/2008 at 15:04
fett, can you even play an instrument, the stuff you say is so general it could be out of a Guitar World magazine
fett on 18/2/2008 at 16:28
I actually copied it verbatim from Guitar World magazine. ;) What do you mean by "general?"
Seriously, I've played drums for about 25 years, guitar for about 18, played in tons of bands (two that went on to be signed - I don't do the touring thing), fronted a cover band in Memphis, Little Rock, Dallas for a few years as the vocalist/bass player, recorded quite a bit (demos, indie releases), etc. Nothing fancy, just kind of a part-time musician since academia and teaching took up most of my time during those years. I did manage to pull off a few indie alt-pop albums in the early 90's but I blush when I listen to them now (they have not aged well....):(
PigLick on 18/2/2008 at 23:20
yeh I know fett, i was just talking shit.
SubJeff on 18/2/2008 at 23:32
ha ha. bait'd
Shug on 19/2/2008 at 00:38
Quote Posted by PigLick
Shug, I love you like a brother, but load et al were shit.
Part of the problem is that your argument above is probably the most eloquently worded dismissal of Load that I've read to date. The album cover was a mixture of semen and bovine blood pig, what more could you WANT
Rug Burn Junky on 19/2/2008 at 01:24
Quote Posted by Shug
a mixture of semen and bovine blood
Kind of appropriate, the album's a lot like fucking a fat chick on the rag.
Sure it may get you off, but you don't want to tell your friends, and you'll feel like you need a shower afterwards.
Turtle on 19/2/2008 at 17:10
Wait, I thought fat chicks were like mopeds and Cibo Matto albums?