fett on 16/2/2008 at 01:33
The point being (at least with Extreme) that they tended to transcend the genre.
It also never fails to amuse me how for a group of people that seem to consider themselves so edgy/indie/whateverthefuck that when an older mainstream group is mentioned, their only ammunition is the radio singles. :confused:
Thereby proving the point that a band like Extreme is underrated because simpletons can't get off the 'more than words' bandwagon. Does anyone even realize that the song is purposefully misogynistic in keeping with the conceptual theme of the album? In that context, it's brilliant. As the only song you know by the band, it - and by default, they - suck.
Too bad you guys have exactly the attention span that corporate radio thrives on.
And yeah, RBJ - Winger sucked because Stewart liked him. C'mon, I know you can think for yourself. I'm not going to defend Kip Winger as a hair band guy, but have you ever heard the man play piano? Or the violin for that matter? Or heard anything he's done outside of the context of 80's hair metal? He's fucking brilliant. He's done two albums in recent years that I stumbled on that are completely worldbeat/pop and it beats the shit out of Peter Gabriel or any other popular artist I've heard in that genre lately.
PigLick on 16/2/2008 at 06:55
Bucketheads an amazing musician as well, but I aint buying his stuff. I have listened many times to both Pornograffiti and 3 sides (mainly cos a friend of mine was heavily into them back in the 80's) and I still dont think they are that great, they have their moments, but you know, 'x factor'. She sells sea shells or whatever the song was called was probably my favorite, they had this nice minor9th harmony going on on in the pre-chorus.
fett on 16/2/2008 at 15:05
Quote Posted by PigLick
Bucketheads an amazing musician as well, but I aint buying his stuff. I have listened many times to both Pornograffiti and 3 sides (mainly cos a friend of mine was heavily into them back in the 80's) and I still dont think they are that great, they have their moments, but you know, 'x factor'. She sells sea shells or whatever the song was called was probably my favorite, they had this nice minor9th harmony going on on in the pre-chorus.
Well yeah, it ain't the greatest thing since ____________, but at least you realize there was more to them than More Than Words. Kudos.
PigLick on 16/2/2008 at 16:48
i always thought 'flight of the wounded bumblebee' was amazing until I realized Nuno used a tap delay on that song.
ok what i mean to say was you cant say they were under-rated, they had a couple of hits(remember 'hole-hearted'?)so enough people bought their album, sometimes I just think you might really like a band and cant understand the fuck why some other people might not like it.
also, on the original topic, megadeth were far superior to mettallica, but mettallica were certainly much more influential.
Rug Burn Junky on 16/2/2008 at 17:03
Other than "More than Words," because it was so pervasive, I couldn't tell you song #1 that was a single by Extreme.
I can tell you that one of my friends in high school was raving about their first album, right after he got tired of White Lion and Brittney Fox, and made me listen to it whenever he drove me anywhere.
I can also tell you that my freshman year college rooommate listened to Pornograffiti every goddamn day, and I knew it by heart after a semester.
I can also tell you I saw them opening up live for David Lee Roth, during a whirlwind three days in which I saw about 20 bands at three concerts ranging from Slayer to David Sanborn. Cinderella blew them off the stage that night. That isn't an accomplishment.
I've got a basis when I say they're a pretty crap band, and I'll leave More than Words out of the equation entirely, because I already know that that's not indicative of the band. You could be the most talented musician in the world, but when you play soulless schlock you're in a crap band, and that goes the same for Nuno, Kip Winger or any other obscure musician who toiled away in spandex pants in the late 80's while being denied the opportunity to show he was truly an artiste.
PigLick on 16/2/2008 at 17:06
Slayer to David Sanborn? c'mon man I need more proof of this miraculous concert.haha i cant even imagine this shit.
Rug Burn Junky on 16/2/2008 at 20:24
It was 1991, the summer after my senior year of high school, and I saw more concerts that summer than at any other time I can remember in my life.
Just happened that three of them were the same weekend Thurs/Fri/Saturday. Wasn't the same show. But fuck that would have been great.
Concert 1: Clash of the Titans. Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth and Alice in Chains. Middletown, NY.
Concert 2: David Lee Roth, Cinderella and Extreme. Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
Concert 3: Day 1 of the Newport Jazz Festival: Neville Bros., David Sanborn, SpyroGyra, Lionel Hampton, Terence Blanchard, and a fuckload of others I can't remember. Saratoga Performing Arts Center, Saratoga, NY.
That spring/summer I also saw the first Lollapalooza (Jane's, Living Colour, Ice-T, etc.), AC/DC, L.A. Guns, King's X, Wynton Marsalis, Queensryche, Suicidal Tendencies, Iron Maiden, Anthrax. Fuck, you name it. If they were on tour that summer, I probably caught them.
fett on 16/2/2008 at 20:44
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
Other than "More than Words," because it was so pervasive, I couldn't tell you song #1 that was a single by Extreme.
I can tell you that one of my friends in high school was raving about their first album, right after he got tired of White Lion and Brittney Fox, and made me listen to it whenever he drove me anywhere.
I can also tell you that my freshman year college rooommate listened to Pornograffiti every goddamn day, and I knew it by heart after a semester.
I can also tell you I saw them opening up live for David Lee Roth, during a whirlwind three days in which I saw about 20 bands at three concerts ranging from Slayer to David Sanborn. Cinderella blew them off the stage that night. That isn't an accomplishment.
I've got a basis when I say they're a pretty crap band, and I'll leave More than Words out of the equation entirely, because I already know that that's not indicative of the band. You could be the most talented musician in the world, but when you play soulless schlock you're in a crap band, and that goes the same for Nuno, Kip Winger or any other obscure musician who toiled away in spandex pants in the late 80's while being denied the opportunity to show he was truly an artiste.
Well, at least you've got some ground to stand on then. I still say you haven't heard them until you've listened to III Sides to Every Story (and the first album is one of THE most crap albums of the 80's bar none). And I agree that these guys take a huge credibility hit because they played in the hair bands. At the same time, I'm not going to dismiss everything else they do out of hand as a result. The fact is that regardless of how schlocky they were in the 80's, many of them have seen the error of their ways and have matured over the last 20 odd years. Guys like Kip Winger, Jon Corabi (short stint w/ Motley Crue), George Lynch, Rachal Bolen, Tom Keifer, etc. have gone on to make deeply soulful and cerebral music that is nothing like their old bands. There's also little dispute that they have the chops to do just about anything they want, so I'm glad they're applying their technical gifts toward music that has more intrinsic value than they did previously.
I guess I just have a morbid fascination with that era of music, but I'm glad I gave some of these guys a second chance because they've surprised and impressed me with their creativity and growth. Some artists get to grow up in the spotlight because they're marketable (Springsteen, Joel, etc.), and others grow up in the shadows. A lot of times the non-marketable ones do incredible work because they know they can't make it on image or name recognition anymore.
Also Pig - I don't think Hole-hearted counts either because it's nothing more than an upbeat version of More Than Words that was obviously chosen as the second single by the suits. It's criminal that those are the only two songs over the course of 4 albums in that vein, and they're the only two that most people know.
PigLick on 17/2/2008 at 00:19
you're kidding about George Lynch arent you? A while back he did a clinic at the music store I work at, endorsing whatever brand he endorses(yamaha or takamine). I was totally unimpressed, if you wanna hear the real stuff like that check out someone like Brett Garsed or TJ Helmerich.
