snobel on 11/1/2025 at 14:06

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This is technically an FM, so I'll take the liberty of posting it here in an attempt to get a few more testers than usual... Apologies for the wall of text but this is the culmination of a lot of work - with more work still to be done.

It's the first test map for the (https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151942) Merged City project (for which an (https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151942&p=2522961&viewfull=1#post2522961) update was posted last week). It combines in one map all of the Thief 3 City, except Auldale, Pavelock and the Abysmal Gale. So seven original maps plus Garrett's apartment building.

Download (https://www.moddb.com/downloads/start/283771/all?referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.moddb.com%2Fmods%2Fthief-3-sneaky-upgrade%2Fdownloads) here, if you've already played Thief 3 (and otherwise stay well away...) and launch it like an FM, using one of the new loaders. Make sure you have the Sneaky Upgrade version 1.1.12 or newer installed. Update: Now (https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152854&p=2528200&viewfull=1#post2528200) version 0.23.

https://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/27/26297/Sections.png

This first test map is a run-around map, like the one Child Of Karras made in DromEd once, but combining the original maps in a different way. Also, it's very much the plan to turn this map into a replacement for the separate maps in the game.
The purpose of this test is to establish a known-good basis for the remaining work, which is mostly fixing scripts. The map is so large that T3Ed is creaking at the seams, and new issues have appeared in the form of invisible walls etc...

Please help test, especially if you know Thief 3 well - you'll be rewarded with the great view of the clock tower from Keeper Orland's balcony - something not currently in the game. (In this map the clock tower is still standing. In the game you only get to the office after it has fallen.)

Your focus should be on the map itself - everything else is broken. :) Some scripts will fire, objectives may appear or be ticked off, there'll be an occasional voice-over which may or may not be relevant...
You can go anywhere - gates and portcullises have been removed, everything is unlocked except a few chests which are being kept locked by scripts. You have the climbing gloves and glyph powers. There's a few guards in the map but they'll ignore you.
The map is keeping track of your location: When you pass from one section of the City to another there'll be a "welcome" message. This is just for testing, of course.
The first time you enter Stonemarket, Docks or Old Quarter, the briefing for that section will pop up. For the remaining sections, South Quarter and Auldale, the briefing will be shown on map start like in the original game.

Things to look for:


* Invisible walls. These are the worst - if you find yourself blocked by, or sliding along something invisible, please do report it
* Broken portals. Usually very noticeable, because the skybox is visible where it shouldn't be. But sometimes you just suddenly fall through the floor
* Bad lighting, such as the light on parts of a surface looking very different for no apparent reason
* Things visibly popping in or out when moving across a section border
* Things from a neighbouring section interfering with the current section (such as a beam poking through a wall)
* Things from a neighbouring section which are visible in the skyline in an ugly way - especially when wall-climbing
* Z-fighting, especially on windows
* Wrong materials on buildings or objects
* Ambient sounds typical of one section which continue after crossing into another section

Things to test:


* Can you get to another section without triggering the welcome message? (In particular, can you get onto Orland's balcony by climbing the walls?)
* Performance: Acceptable loading time? Places with low FPS?
* Sell loot, buy stuff. (Some patching and workarounds were needed to allow multiple stores and fences)
* Save and load, even if it feels a bit pointless

Known issues:


* Glyph doors, once opened, stay open

Please report any issues either here, in the thread linked above or by PM. If you can, provide screenshots as needed.

<Username> on 11/1/2025 at 18:50

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I am testing v0.21. :thumb:

Got to Orland's balcony without noticing any issues. Welcome messages triggered outside Garrett's apartment, when entering Stonemarket, and inside the Keeper Library.

Is it possible to get rid of the blue mist where formerly separate pieces of the map intersect? I seem to remember Thief's Rising 2 did not have blue mist in the missions for which original street areas from T3 were combined.

snobel on 12/1/2025 at 12:19

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I'll make a note, but it's a script-fixing issue so it'll be saved for later.


Thanks! :thumb:


Not by climbing the wall I hope?


Where the remaining teleporters are? Yes, making it optional in the T3G settings (or equivalent) should be possible.

snobel on 12/1/2025 at 14:40

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If at all possible, the two remaining teleporter connections will be replaced with new bits of map. But probably not in the first version - T3Ed won't have it. We need to find a way to reduce the original brushwork.

Svperstar on 12/1/2025 at 19:56

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I just updated my AngelLoader with the crazy fast I/O options to test this "map". Would it be possible if you upload a newer version for us to get all the in game maps for the city? Obviously not if this is going to be a ton of work but mine just shows South Quarter