Rob Hicks on 3/10/2005 at 20:12

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OK. This should hotlink to it...

(http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thecityproposal8kj.gif) http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7258/thecityproposal8kj.th.gif

Sorry it's so big. The REAL map is even bigger, and shows more detail (e.g. city walls, location of note, etc), but this gives the general idea.

Hope this is of interest, and not a fly in all too sticky ointment.

Rob

theBlackman on 4/10/2005 at 06:45

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The link gives me a photo about 2 inches by 1+ as a GIF and barely visible. At 152 by 130 pixels.

I notice that it says at the bottom 1200 X 900 but I can't open it that size.

Any suggestions?

Or link the url that will post the image.

str8g8 on 4/10/2005 at 09:30

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10 out of 10 for thinking differently, there Rob ... nice map :thumb:

The word quarters does of course imply 4, ie there are four major quarters of the city ... North Quarter/South Quarter, New Quarter/Old Quarter - there is an obvious symmetry there. On our last map, you can see that these four quarters form the core of the City. The idea is that it later expanded to take in areas such as Auldale and Shalebridge.

My initial impression is that your map takes a different tack and tries to fit everything into one of these four quarters.

So far, so good. A lot of it seems to stem from Sola's insistence that Shalebridge is part of Old Quarter, but opens the floodgates so to speak, so that any area can be considered part of any other area. Now, I've often argued against the assumed equivalence of all the districts. But lately I've backed off from it, because, frankly, it seems to cause an awful lot of confusion.

However, even if we accept this premise and go along with it, inconsistencies will start to emerge:

Ramirez's ledger:



Now firstly, how can Raputo be warden of New Quarter and Webster warden of Dayport if Dayport is part of New Quarter?

Your map makes districts out of Sunnyfair, Dreckboun, Fendon which is certainly a possibility and worth considering. Wherever they are, though, they are controlled by Ramirez, so they are not in the areas listed above for Webster and Raputo. (The implication has always been that Ramirez controls the Old Quarter, South Quarter, Hightowne, Downtowne, Stonemarket areas.)

Finally, this map repeats the earlier problem with one of Sola's maps that places the "Home Turf" note from the Assassins map (check the wiki) in the ocean.

I hope this doesn't sound too negative :) , I think there is a lot that these ideas can bring to the map.

cheers
str8g8

str8g8 on 4/10/2005 at 15:21

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:confused: check the map, Home Turf is below Downtowne:
(http://whitecortex.net/citymap/show/AssassinsMap) assassin map


there is no evidence :)

Other side-effects of this layout:

Garrett's apartment in T3 (pinpointed by Gammall's glyph map) is now bang in the middle of Hightowne, round about where Ramirez would be located. The implication has always been Hightowne is a better neighbourhood than South Quarter ... this distinction is now lost. It also means G has to have moved between T1/T2 and T3 (not the end of the world admittedly, but one of the nice things about our current layout was his location was maintained throughout all 3 games).

Regarding the wardens, yes it can be fudged I agree, and any map will have a certain amount of fudging going on. I don't think the locations of the new districts can be fudged - they would need to be moved to be in Ramirez's sphere of influence - however, Old Quarter and South Quarter are already pretty crowded, and I suspect their raison d'etre was to flesh out North Quarter, which would be a bit empty without them. :erg:

cheers
str8g8

mol on 4/10/2005 at 21:01

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I really don't think we can take measures from the Dromed and translate them to the "real world". We need to decide on the scale by other means. Dromed scales don't translate well to the "real world".

I don't think we should count that as evidence.